You CAN'T Necessarily Blame Hip-Hop/Rap Culture For Gang Violence (Parents NEED To Be More Involved)

[Blackout]

I'm the same way. I rarely post in the Booth.

I could give two fukks about hip hop. Let cacs have that shyt!

I come to the Coli to trade ideas with brehs from all walks of life.

I feel that way sometimes but when I see the few conscious rappers get some shine I come back to rap to give them props.

I wish they had more rappers in the mainstream to represent the conscious people in the streets and not just the Gs in the streets getting the biggest platform.

People tend to forget that there are conscious people in the streets

 

[BmoreGorilla]

but but white people, who give a damn about cacs let em worry about their own problems.


The same brehs who say yeah man if it wasnt for marvin gaye or barry white I wouldnt be made, or when I sexing I'm listening to R kelly. Or when I'm working out that gets me hyped, or man i bump nas because it makes me think, or decrypting some rappers verse

but when it comes to the violence and ignorance its nah its just music it has no effect, when the only male voice many of these nikkaz here is a rapper spewing filth in their music hours a day

why do yout hink they have like "elevator music"
or when your on hold they play a certain time of song
or when your at a lounge they ain't playing chief keef
when your in a uppity type place they aint playing young thug

but no music has no effect

i can open up songza right now and get musci to get you in the mood music to this music for that

but nah

The problem with this logic is that your using examples of people doing positive things. Nothing wrong with having sex and throwing on some R Kelly might enhance the experience. Exercise is great and the music I play helps keep me motivated. But I'm gonna have sex and exercise whether music is on or not. I highly doubt some kid whose thinking about getting retaliation on some nikkas for killing his cousin needs to put on Chief Keef for extra motivation

 

[Blackout]

when jay z said that line about jerseys and button ups amazing how quick brehs started buying button ups

when rappers started wearing snapbacks amazing how folks stopped with fitteds

when rappers started wearing dresses and tight jeans and ish amazing just amazing



amazing how words like thot, and phrases that originate in rap songs become a part of lingo

when rappers mention ciroq, chardonnay etc. nikkaz start buying

but nah violence and other filth that is in many rap songs have no effect

it has an effect on fashion, on what you drink, what you say, what shoes you will buy, but oh thats just it.

That is true.

 

[MikelArteta]

The problem with this logic is that your using examples of people doing positive things. Nothing wrong with having sex and throwing on some R Kelly might enhance the experience. Exercise is great and the music I play helps keep me motivated. But I'm gonna have sex and exercise whether music is on or not. I highly doubt some kid whose thinking about getting retaliation on some nikkas for killing his cousin needs to put on Chief Keef for extra motivation

I never said there is anything wrong with it
I was saying that music can effect you and get you in the certain mood.

I don't know why its so hard for people to accept it,

 

[MikelArteta]

you always here people say wow this song is so inspiring,it changed my life, WHen i was down and out I lsitened to this song and it resonated with what I was going through etc. etc.

Why do you think when they sing amazing grace at funerals people start just breaking down

dudes are so indoctrinated for their precious little rap its disgusting

hell after a breakup in teh past I've listened to some sappy breakup songs,

when im single or in a fulfilling relationship I don't bump that ish

 

[BmoreGorilla]

It’s a lot of things goin on y’all
21st century is comin
20th century almost done
A lot of things have changed
A lot of things have not, mainly us
We gon’ get it together right? I believe that
Listen.. people be askin me all the time,
“Yo Mos, what’s gettin ready to happen with Hip-Hop?”
“Where do you think Hip-Hop is goin?”
I tell em, “You know what’s gonna happen with Hip-Hop?”
“Whatever’s happening with us”
If we smoked out, Hip-Hop is gonna be smoked out
If we doin alright, Hip-Hop is gonna be doin alright
People talk about Hip-Hop like it’s some giant livin in the hillside
comin down to visit the townspeople
We are Hip-Hop
Me, you, everybody, we are Hip-Hop
So Hip-Hop is goin where we goin
So the next time you ask yourself where Hip-Hop is goin
ask yourself.. where am I goin? How am I doin?



I think it's a two-way exchange. The streets influence hip hop and hip hop influences the streets.

Where are we going as Black people? What's our 10-year plan? Are we smoked out? Are our communities in shambles?

It's only natural that the music will also be fukked up.

Props on the Mos Def reference. These rappers today grew up during the height of the crack era or the aftermath of it. They're rapping about what they kno. It's not coincidence that the black family has been steadily deteriorating and the music has right along with it

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

Funny to me is what did they blame the violence on prior to Hip Hop's rise in popularity? Those n!ggas in the 80s, late 70s, were vicious, and the soundtrack to the streets was Cameo, Ohio Players, Marvin Gaye, etc.. Reading about Jeff Fort and Bull in Chicago and the history of the Stones, bodies were getting dropped left and right and Hip Hop was non existent. I will agree that the modern music does have some influence, but how much? The rival cartels in Mexico have mariachi bands that perform diss tracks, they do music videos threatening their rivals. We wouldn't blame the music for the violence though, would we? Any credit given to the music should be minimal. The problem is drugs, economics, family breakdown, white supremacy, etc.. The music is just an outward symptom, similar to a sneeze or a cough. You can treat the symptoms with cough suppressants, tissues for a runny nose, etc.. Even then you're only trying to mitigate the symptoms. The actual disease or infection requires getting to the root of the problem, hence antibiotics. Blame the music all you want, criticize it, throw warning labels on it, shame it, ban it, etc, whatever. The problem will still exist even after all that.

In order for those things to be effective, our actions must compliment them. Unless your actions and ideas fall clearly on one side of these type of discussion, then you are consciously/sub-consciously injecting confusion into the discussion, which stalls progression

Suggesting that a rapper's action is just a symptom of a problem, and it does not directly contributes to the problem, encourages fence sitting, complacency, tolerance, and sympathy for the savage culture

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

parents actually make an effort to censor the media their children take in
when I was a kid, I didn't even know there were "dirty" versions of songs
I thought Nas' Made You Look hook went like "oh SHOOT SHOOT SHOOT, aw made you look" instead of "they SHOOTIN"

Exactly. My pops played hip hop songs in the car, with the radio edits. As we got older, he let us listen to the uncensored versions. But, also growing up in the hood, and seeing the endless stories & stories of drugs, murder, etc, from the news or from people you know. It pretty much set your mind on doing the opposite, and not ending up a cautionary tale.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

I never said there is anything wrong with it
I was saying that music can effect you and get you in the certain mood.

I don't know why its so hard for people to accept it,

So what were people bumping in 89,90, and 91 when crime was actually worse? Were they bumping Fight the Power, Bonita Applebum, or Can't Touch This to get them motivated to kill?

 

[MikelArteta]

Just because it doesn't have an effect on you doesn't mean it doesn't on someone else.

Look when 9/11 happened that day changed many peoples lives the images etc. made them go and sign up for the army, to others it was meh

just like how you bump that rap song and its meh to you, or you watch some video of a black gang and you find it ignorant but to 16 year old fatherless javarious living in community housing the guns the glory the respect he hears from his fav rapper entices him to that lifestyle

 

[MikelArteta]

So what were people bumping in 89,90, and 91 when crime was actually worse? Were they bumping Fight the Power, Bonita Applebum, or Can't Touch This to get them motivated to kill?

I don't care about 89,90,91 I ain't marty mcfly I care about 2015

anyways as a kid back in the 80s early 90s, you never had access to so much filth as you do now. Before the internet age it was really only what you saw on tv/movies/read in magazines or heard on the radio

to compare two different vastly generations is absurd

 

[⠝⠕⠏⠑]

Any and all negative influences can be blamed. Parenting doesn't = Saran wrapped bubble.

And yeah music has a huge impact on people because it creates and codifies entire cultures and sub-cultures. Parenting can only go so far. At some point we have to advocate for better music to come out of our speakers. Creating a better world is apart of parenting too. So yeah. I'm actually glad people are calling bullshyt on some of the ish on the radio today. Music now a days is trash.

 

[Matt504]

Nobody was blaming hip hop in the late 80s early 90s when crime was worse than it is now

This might explain why

She didn't start on her campaign until about 93. That's when the tide started to shift and more blame was being put on the music. The biggest acts of the late 80s early 90s were PE, Tribe, De La Soul, even MC Hammer. None of them sold negativity. NWA wasn't selling negativity till their second album when they didn't have Cube writing the lyrics anymore

But...

Exactly. Hip hop is influenced by what's going on in the streets not the other way around. If we want the music to be more positive there needs to be more positivity in our community

If crime was worse in the 80s/90s, and it certainly was, why wasn't the music of the 80s/90s more violent and negative than it is now, after all, the music would have only been reflecting the reality of the 80s/90s?

 

[BmoreGorilla]

I don't care about 89,90,91 I ain't marty mcfly I care about 2015

anyways as a kid back in the 80s early 90s, you never had access to so much filth as you do now. Before the internet age it was really only what you saw on tv/movies/read in magazines or heard on the radio

to compare two different vastly generations is absurd

Why can't you compare? It's a great way to put things in perspective. When crime was worse the music was more positive. That's why I'm saying to put the blame on the music is absurd. The family structure has gotten way worse and it's affected the music not the other way around

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

when jay z said that line about jerseys and button ups amazing how quick brehs started buying button ups

when rappers started wearing snapbacks amazing how folks stopped with fitteds

when rappers started wearing dresses and tight jeans and ish amazing just amazing



amazing how words like thot, and phrases that originate in rap songs become a part of lingo

when rappers mention ciroq, chardonnay etc. nikkaz start buying

but nah violence and other filth that is in many rap songs have no effect

it has an effect on fashion, on what you drink, what you say, what shoes you will buy, but oh thats just it.

Breh, people are followers in ALL genres. And they come from two parent & single parent homes. Perfect example, look at fashion. Look how many people started dressing like hipsters & shyt once it became "cool".