You CAN'T Necessarily Blame Hip-Hop/Rap Culture For Gang Violence (Parents NEED To Be More Involved)

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This might explain why



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If crime was worse in the 80s/90s, and it certainly was, why wasn't the music of the 80s/90s more violent and negative than it is now, after all, the music would have only been reflecting the reality of the 80s/90s?

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What was going on at the time was influencing the music. NWA, Public Enemy, KRS One etc all were reporting what was going on. But these rappers were already grown and knew what the black community was like before the crack era. They were literally watching their community fall apart and thats what they spoke on. Rappers today came up after our communities fell apart and it's reflected in the music
 

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If you have good role models in place your less likely to be psychologically influenced by entertainment. The reality is too many of our children see the things mentioned in songs on a daily basis with their own two eyes. They don't even need the music to be surrounded by negativity
So if you had a daughter would you be okay with her listening to Beyonce and Nicki Minaj?
 

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when jay z said that line about jerseys and button ups amazing how quick brehs started buying button ups

when rappers started wearing snapbacks amazing how folks stopped with fitteds

when rappers started wearing dresses and tight jeans and ish amazing just amazing



amazing how words like thot, and phrases that originate in rap songs become a part of lingo

when rappers mention ciroq, chardonnay etc. nikkaz start buying

but nah violence and other filth that is in many rap songs have no effect

it has an effect on fashion, on what you drink, what you say, what shoes you will buy, but oh thats just it.
It's already been proven Jay keeps his ear to the streets and is quick to hop on the next big thing. Only people who started rocking button ups cuz of Jay were those not from the streets. Rappers don't influence what people wear. All the way back in the 80s Run DMC dressed different from other rappers at the time cuz they wanted to reflect how people really dressed inn the streets. A lot of these rappers grew up seeing how fly the drug dealers were and wanted to look the same but instead of focusing on the drug game to get money they turned to rap game instead. And all the slang comes from the streets first.
 

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So if you had a daughter would you be okay with her listening to Beyonce and Nicki Minaj?
After a certain age yea. Of course when she's 6 I'm not gonna put on Drunk In Love for her but I will play Starships. You have to maintain some level of innocence but by the time they get to a certain age they know right from wrong and the difference between entertainment and reality. Gimme The Loot by Biggie didn't make me wanna rob someone
 
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Some people always need the easy scapegoat for problems in life. It's comforting when you don't have to rack your brain or do some deep analysis into the root of a problem...so they just blame it on things that people consume like music, tv, games or whatever.
But the people who need the help dont think its the music.

The people who are trying to help are saying a good start would be to tone down the negative lyrics. By ignoring thinhs like people who worship negativity you are the problem.

Im getting a "lets blame white people" vibe from you. Coincidence that white people own the media.

I can't believe its people in here who dont think media controls the general populations thinking.:snoop:
 

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My beef with this line of reasoning too is it denies us agency/mental competence.

Like we gonna act like white artists haven't been making dark/violent music since Jim Morrison and Ozzy Osbourne hit the scene?
And those that listen to them are just as fukked up.
 

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Truth:salute:At the end of the day, people makes CHOICES to do the things that they do

because of there ENVIRONMENT, not music even though the music can be a bit overbearing
 

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@PhonZhi ........ Thoughts?
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My thoughts are that if yall are STILL thinking that we are saying that rap music is the sole cause of gang violence then yall are extremely short-sighted. Current hiphop culture is having a GLOBAL impact on the black community in a negative way. Again, yall aren't seeing the big picture and continue to refer to this mental poison as "just entertainment". This site is made up of 70% nonblacks, so i would expect most of the posters to be in DEFENSE of music that promotes the genocide of the black race. And most of the rest of the 30% are just plain out ignorant. I just quoted a poster that said music has ZERO affect on a persons psych. :dead:
 

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does a cardiologist have to have a heart attack to speak on the innerworkings of the heart or to diagnose heart disease?

yeah thought so, your whole rambling is just typical cac jargon, you subconsciously want the black man beneat you, rotting in fatherless homes and private jail systems, f outta here CAC.
Even if you were an "expert" like a cardiologist ( :mjlol: ) cardiology and violence aren't even remotely relatable. Cardiology is a science, violence doesn't have easy answers. One thing that CAN be said for certain is that violence stems from poverty. There's far worse violence going on in hoods that don't care about rap music.

"fukk outta here CAC"? Is that why you you use Bill Oreillys CAC arguments against Hip-Hop? Is that why you exclusively date white women? You act like that when you meet Becky's father? Or when you hang out with Brad, Casey, and Cody in the 6? Stop it breh :heh:
 

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In order for those things to be effective, our actions must compliment them. Unless your actions and ideas fall clearly on one side of these type of discussion, then you are consciously/sub-consciously injecting confusion into the discussion, which stalls progression

Suggesting that a rapper's action is just a symptom of a problem, and it does not directly contributes to the problem, encourages fence sitting, complacency, tolerance, and sympathy for the savage culture


I disagree, and strongly so. There's an old Proverb I've always liked that goes as follows, "Without counsel purposes are disappointed, but in the multitude of counselors they are established." In other words you would do well to value the suggestions, ideas, and thoughts of others who although you may disagree with, both you and they wish to see a solution to a common problem. Cutting down someone you disagree with only

That said, regarding the symptom, I'll tell you something from my experiences. About 15 years ago I took a job for pay that wasn't exactly ideal to me, but I took the job because the company it was with was and is still growing. Being young, and rarely ever getting sick, I declined to take the health insurance because I wanted to pocket that extra two to three dollars an hour. Well, my dumb azz got sick, developed a dry cough that I couldn't shake and as time went on that cough came from someplace deeper and deeper within my chest. Eventually I started producing green flem which indicates an infection. No health insurance, and no experience in the hand-out game with free clinics, I just endured it. When you have an infection like that, OTC cough and cold products don't help, only help mitigate the symptoms and help you endure. Eventually my mother got a doctor off the record to call me in a Z-Pack at the local pharmacy. A week later I'm straight.

My point is this, while I agree that an argument can be made that the music might perpetuate some of the fukkery going on in hoods across the US, it still will only warrant but so much credit. Likely only minimal credit at that. During the 80's before Hip Hop took off, did you blame Midnight Star and Cameo for the violence in South Central, Chicago, Detroit, New York, etc.? Of course not. What about in other countries? The Favelas in South America? Kingston, Jamaica? Or on the music tip, look at Narcocorrido genre, which is basically Mexican folk music with a gangster theme. If Narcocorrido music were eliminated tonight, the cartels would still be slaughtering one another, leaving innocents in fear, all the while the poor in Mexico City would still pay a 1/3 of their daily wages on water.

This sh!t is way deeper than any music. Again though, I do agree that an argument can be made that the music might perpetuate some of the fukkery. What I don't agree with, is giving the music too much credit which is what I think folks like you do. Could rappers be better role models? Yeah they could. The bigger problem as I see it though, is expecting them to be such while not looking at the parents and guardians of the youth. That opens up a whole other can of worms that has nothing to do with music.
 
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I disagree, and strongly so. There's an old Proverb I've always liked that goes as follows, "Without counsel purposes are disappointed, but in the multitude of counselors they are established." In other words you would do well to value the suggestions, ideas, and thoughts of others who although you may disagree with, both you and they wish to see a solution to a common problem. Cutting down someone you disagree with only

That said, regarding the symptom, I'll tell you something from my experiences. About 15 years ago I took a job for pay that wasn't exactly ideal to me, but I took the job because the company it was with was and is still growing. Being young, and rarely ever getting sick, I declined to take the health insurance because I wanted to pocket that extra two to three dollars an hour. Well, my dumb azz got sick, developed a dry cough that I couldn't shake and as time went on that cough came from someplace deeper and deeper within my chest. Eventually I started producing green flem which indicates an infection. No health insurance, and no experience in the hand-out game with free clinics, I just endured it. When you have an infection like that, OTC cough and cold products don't help, only help mitigate the symptoms and help you endure. Eventually my mother got a doctor off the record to call me in a Z-Pack at the local pharmacy. A week later I'm straight.

My point is this, while I agree that an argument can be made that the music might perpetuate some of the fukkery going on in hoods across the US, it still will only warrant but so much credit. Likely only minimal credit at that. During the 80's before Hip Hop took off, did you blame Midnight Star and Cameo for the violence in South Central, Chicago, Detroit, New York, etc.? Of course not. What about in other countries? The Favelas in South America? Kingston, Jamaica? Or on the music tip, look at Narcocorrido genre, which is basically Mexican folk music with a gangster theme. If Narcocorrido music were eliminated tonight, the cartels would still be slaughtering one another, leaving innocents in fear, all the while the poor in Mexico City would still pay a 1/3 of their daily wages on water.

This sh!t is way deeper than any music. Again though, I do agree that an argument can be made that the music might perpetuate some of the fukkery. What I don't agree with, is giving the music too much credit which is what I think folks like you do. Could rappers be better role models? Yeah they could. The bigger problem as I see it though, is expecting them to be such while not looking at the parents and guardians of the youth. That opens up a whole other can of worms that has nothing to do with music.

A symptom like coughing, nose bleeds, itching, and sneezing does not contribute to you getting something worst. After you've have taken medication for the cough, it's not the cough that will determine if it comes back, but instead your actions will determine that
Music that is described as not being entertainment and blurs the line of reality, contributes to the problem. It is not a symptom and it is not the sole cause of the problem
Rappers and fans that encourage blurring the line between in the booth actions and out the booth actions contributes to the problem because it's no longer entertainment
 
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