Zuckerberg's Newest Project "Eliminate Human Disease By 2100"

[Professor Emeritus]

I don't think it's as clear cut as you make it seem, breh. The rich don't live any longer than we do.

Rich Americans live up to 15 years longer than poor peers, studies find

Health insurance system – the most expensive in the world – is worsening situation, researchers find, arguing healthcare should be treated as human right

www.theguardian.com

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/04/11/upshot/for-the-poor-geography-is-life-and-death.htm

"The gap in life spans between rich and poor widened from 2001 to 2014. The top 1 percent in income among American men live 15 years longer than the poorest 1 percent; for women, the gap is 10 years. These rich Americans have gained three years of longevity just in this century. They live longer almost without regard to where they live. Poor Americans had very little gain as a whole, with big differences among different places."



And that's just within America. When you actually go outside the USA to look at the poor in other countries?

Global economic inequality: what matters most for your living conditions is not who you are, but where you are

How much does it matter to be born into a productive, industrialized economy?

ourworldindata.org

"It is hard to overstate how very large these differences are. Life expectancy in the poorest countries is 30 years shorter than in the richest countries. I have also just written about the large global inequalities in learning outcomes along the economic dimension."



So if the difference between rich and poor within a country can be 15 years, and the average difference between countries can be 30 years, that implies that the difference in life expectancy between the richest in rich countries and the poorest in poor countries might be more like 40-50 years. That's fukking insane.

It's not like we don't know how to solve this shyt. Rich countries have already solved TB. Rich countries have already solved diarrheal diseases. Rich countries have already solved childhood fevers. The problem is that in order to solve those things, you have to address poverty and inequality, and the rich don't want to do that.

If these rich tech bros find the solution to all diseases, the poor aren't gonna get that cure. It's going to involve expensive technology and be expensive as fukk, while the poor can't even get the cheap therapies already available. Will probably be fully individualized, just like the genetic therapies they're trying to develop. It'll cost a ton of money and decades of research just to make the gap between the rich and the poor even larger than it was before.

 

[jj23]

Rich Americans live up to 15 years longer than poor peers, studies find

Health insurance system – the most expensive in the world – is worsening situation, researchers find, arguing healthcare should be treated as human right

www.theguardian.com

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/04/11/upshot/for-the-poor-geography-is-life-and-death.htm

"The gap in life spans between rich and poor widened from 2001 to 2014. The top 1 percent in income among American men live 15 years longer than the poorest 1 percent; for women, the gap is 10 years. These rich Americans have gained three years of longevity just in this century. They live longer almost without regard to where they live. Poor Americans had very little gain as a whole, with big differences among different places."



And that's just within America. When you actually go outside the USA to look at the poor in other countries?

Global economic inequality: what matters most for your living conditions is not who you are, but where you are

How much does it matter to be born into a productive, industrialized economy?

ourworldindata.org

"It is hard to overstate how very large these differences are. Life expectancy in the poorest countries is 30 years shorter than in the richest countries. I have also just written about the large global inequalities in learning outcomes along the economic dimension."



So if the difference between rich and poor within a country can be 15 years, and the average difference between countries can be 30 years, that implies that the difference in life expectancy between the richest in rich countries and the poorest in poor countries might be more like 40-50 years. That's fukking insane.

It's not like we don't know how to solve this shyt. Rich countries have already solved TB. Rich countries have already solved diarrheal diseases. Rich countries have already solved childhood fevers. The problem is that in order to solve those things, you have to address poverty and inequality, and the rich don't want to do that.

If these rich tech bros find the solution to all diseases, the poor aren't gonna get that cure. It's going to involve expensive technology and be expensive as fukk, while the poor can't even get the cheap therapies already available. Will probably be fully individualized, just like the genetic therapies they're trying to develop. It'll cost a ton of money and decades of research just to make the gap between the rich and the poor even larger than it was before.

That's clear as day, but no one wants to see it.

 

[acri1]

This "let's solve human health with tech!" bullshyt ignores that 90% of early deaths right now have to do with poverty and inequality, not the need for new medical tech. But the rich aren't that interested in solving inequality, so they aim for medical moonshots instead.

Look at what happened with Covid. Get the rich people scared, and they're suddenly willing to spend trillions upon trillions and undergo any degree of economic disruption in order to stop it. But when it comes to TB, or diarrheal diseases, or childhood fevers, or lung issues due to pollution, each of which kill millions of people a year? Nah, those are poor people diseases, we have a limited budget for that shyt.

University of California Press

Scholarship is a powerful tool for changing how people think, plan, and govern. By giving voice to bright minds and bold ideas, we seek to foster understanding and drive progressive change.

www.ucpress.edu

University of California Press

Scholarship is a powerful tool for changing how people think, plan, and govern. By giving voice to bright minds and bold ideas, we seek to foster understanding and drive progressive change.

www.ucpress.edu

This is a little bit of an oversimplification.

Rich people certainly live longer because they have better access to health care. And that's certainly a systemic issue, but the main reason it's that way is because that's what people (most of whom aren't rich) vote for. We could have universal healthcare and all the things you mentioned, but people won't vote for it because they don't want their taxes to go up and because minorities would benefit too and certain demographics don't like that


Sure, rich people have excessive influence on these things but they're just too small of a demographic to just blame everything on. The bigger issue is people who aren't rich voting against their interests.

 

[MikelArteta]

It is appointed for men to die

 

[Professor Emeritus]

This is a little bit of an oversimplification.

Rich people certainly live longer because they have better access to health care. And that's certainly a systemic issue, but the main reason it's that way is because that's what people (most of whom aren't rich) vote for. We could have universal healthcare and all the things you mentioned, but people won't vote for it because they don't want their taxes to go up and because minorities would benefit too and certain demographics don't like that


Sure, rich people have excessive influence on these things but they're just too small of a demographic to just blame everything on. The bigger issue is people who aren't rich voting against their interests.

You will see how massively this misses the point when you realize I'm talking about global inequalities, not just the USA. I'm talking about why easy to cure infectious disease still kills millions of people every year while the tech lords search for moon shots.

But yes, rich people are by far the largest factor behind health inequality in the USA, too. Ridiculous to reduce their influence to their voting numbers when they control campaign funding, lobbyists, industry, and much of the research funding too.


You definitely didn't take a look at either book I was linking:

University of California Press

Scholarship is a powerful tool for changing how people think, plan, and govern. By giving voice to bright minds and bold ideas, we seek to foster understanding and drive progressive change.

www.ucpress.edu

University of California Press

Scholarship is a powerful tool for changing how people think, plan, and govern. By giving voice to bright minds and bold ideas, we seek to foster understanding and drive progressive change.

www.ucpress.edu

 

[BlackBall]

The “elites” want to kill us all

 

[BlackAchilles]

Sounds like the background to sci-fi/horror movie

 

[CopiousX]

From my understanding, Steve knew about his pancreatic cancer and tried to treat it the "natural" way instead of chemo and other proven cancer treatments. It was only until the cancer advanced to far that he finally accepted the current treatments at the time that would have saved his life.

This topic honestly annoys me cause I remember having to do a huge term paper on jobs during undergrad. I swear My professor at the time was a bonefide apple cultist.


But, I recall from that assignment that jobs Did it the opposite way to what you are describing. He had pancreatic cancer twice. He used traditional science to beat it the first time. And it worked. He caught it a second time and exhausted his options, at which point he turned to the naturalist mumbo jumbo and eventually turned to a hospice plan

 

[Bondye Vodou]

Cacs think they can outsmart mother nature.