worth the watch, it's not time wasted.
50 year old cartoon rings so true.
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Your a conservative now Orbital? I can dig it and its an anti-communism message. There was a red scare during that period and the country was paranoid about communists infiltrating the country even so much as blackballing people in hollywood.
Yes of course the message still rings true because these philosophies are based on human nature they will always ring true, which is why i disagree with people who talk about a living breathing constitution because the American ideals are based on human nature and ideals of natural born freedoms and to limit the power of those who seek to condense power to only themselves.
Your really hardcore follower of politics who are Conservative most likely overrates the "power" of Obama and probably fear him way too much...even if he was a full out communist because of congress and the courts there is no way he could implement anything too ideological.
But yeah that cartoon is basically an animated version of my 2008 self, which i still agree with but have a much better idea of how the world works
Yes of course the message still rings true because these philosophies are based on human nature they will always ring true, which is why i disagree with people who talk about a living breathing constitution because the American ideals are based on human nature and ideals of natural born freedoms and to limit the power of those who seek to condense power to only themselves.
Your really hardcore follower of politics who are Conservative most likely overrates the "power" of Obama and probably fear him way too much...even if he was a full out communist because of congress and the courts there is no way he could implement anything too ideological.
But yeah that cartoon is basically an animated version of my 2008 self, which i still agree with but have a much better idea of how the world works
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What a load of a absolute shyt.
Obvious McCarthyism propaganda.
Obvious McCarthyism propaganda.
Its not shyt though its true...but its simplified to fit the cartoon style...
in hindsight the whole red scare was definitely over played since i doubt any real "communists" were plotting anything sinister or had any real chance to implement their beliefs, they were just dumb hipsters of the day trying to be different and genuinely believed that their suggested changes would be positive
but they were just as irrelevant as any fringe group now
the only communist to be concerned about at the time was Castro since he could have been trouble in the 60's but ultimately fell back
but i've got no problem reinforcing the concepts that make the country great to young minds.
i saw the vid and the first thing that caught me was the "ISM".
getting caught up in the dogma of whatever you identify yourself as....and then believing that following that doctrine will save you.
the latter part of the video regarding the government taking control of everything is not what i intended to be spotlighted.
it was more about how identifying with an "ism" or being classified by an "ism" is the problem.
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getting caught up in the dogma of whatever you identify yourself as....and then believing that following that doctrine will save you.
the latter part of the video regarding the government taking control of everything is not what i intended to be spotlighted.
it was more about how identifying with an "ism" or being classified by an "ism" is the problem.
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thats what i thought it would be at first since labor and management ultimately have to work together to succeed
but yeah the video was basically telling people that the bigger scare is communism and with what happened in Cuba at the time and Russia possibly being in cahoots it was definitely a concern for people that a promise of utopia would be popular with young people and destroy the capitalist system
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I understand but Capitalism and classism are ISM's too.
Cartoon obviously ignores the absolute overwhelming evidence and facts that post 1929 to about the late 1960s, the US was approach Democratic Socialism. Things like the New Deal, Social Security, High Tax Rates on the Wealthy, The GI Bill, Government investment into technology and research and so on. That is what these fukks don't understand.
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The opening credits explains it all; see the bolded in the excerpt below. This felt like a propaganda piece. The benefactor to Harding College, Alfred Sloan was a businessman friends with good ole Walt. I must admit it was refreshing to see a 1940s cartoon with brown characters besides Coal Black and De Sebben Dwarfs.
Alfred P. Sloan (1875-1966) was the CEO of General Motors from 1923 to 1946. He is considered the father of the modern corporation. Today his foundation is a major supporter of PBS radio and TV, medical research projects and other impressive projects. The foundation has ties with many major corporations and institutions. They were not mentioned in the 1967 scandal over the CIA using foundations as conduits.
George Stewart Benson, president of Harding University, was tapped by entrepreneur Alfred P. Sloan to make propaganda films. Courtesy of Harding University.
A story that sounds too simplistic to be accurate is Sloan heard George Stewart Benson, president of Harding College in Searcy, Arkansas, deliver a fundamentalist anti-labor diatribe and was so moved that he decided that day to underwrite Harding Colleges plans to produce educational anti-Communist, pro-free enterprise system films. In any case the Sloan Foundation did give Harding a lot of money to produce propaganda films (reports vary from $300,000 to $597,870). There were nine animated films made for Harding using money donated by Sloan according to Rick Prelinger. He runs Ephemeral Film, a film library that had an enormous collection of unusual films paid for by corporations, educational institutions and our government. The collection was purchased by the Library of Congress in 2002.
I find it hard to believe that the just-retired head of General Motors would fund an expensive propaganda film in Technicolor and let a school in Arkansas with no track record as a film producer handle the project unless there was an unstated ulterior motive. Sloan isnt mentioned in the film credits, which is odd as most sponsors want some recognition. Did he want the school to be his front? Something about the project doesnt make sense.
Benson's deal with Sloan benefited Harding University financially.
Since the first of the Harding films dates from 1948 and the CIA was created in July 1947 it is possible, but unlikely that one of the CIAs first activities was to fund propaganda cartoons. It is possible the films were made at the request of another federal agency, but most likely the money used was Sloans. He probably felt there was a need for strong anti-Communist propaganda films and using Harding would keep his name from being identified with the cause. It is common for foundations to give restrictive gifts that are designed for the money to be used for specific purposes.
Mike Barrier, author of the remarkably well-researched Hollywood Cartoons, interviewed John Sutherland in February 1990. Sutherland owned the Hollywood studio that produced the animated series for Harding. His interview confirms the above scenario and adds additional information. Sutherland told Barrier that Sloan sent a representative to Walt to approach him about making cartoons on economic themes and that Walt sent the representative to Sutherland. Sutherland told Barrier that Sloan gave a grant to Harding so they could commission him to make the films. Harding owns the rights to the films so any income from them went to the college. The school also owns the negatives to the films. Barrier was also told, So I got a million dollar contract.
Sutherland probably inflated the amount of the contract in his conversation. A typical Warner Bros. cartoon cost about $23,000 to make in the mid-50s and George Pal Puppetoons were costing under $50,000 at Paramount after WWII. Prelingers $597,870 is probably the most likely amount for the grant.
Eventually other conservative corporations contributed to Harding including General Electric, U.S. Steel and Olin Mathieson Chemical. By 1961 Hardings endowment from corporations was said to be $6 million.
Harding, founded in 1924, began as a small religious college, run by the Church of Christ. It is named after James Harding, a minister who was co-founder of the Nashville Bible School. The school was integrated in 1962, becoming the first college in the state to integrate. Today Harding University is a much larger institution offering a wide range of degree programs.
Bensons biography includes his being born in a log cabin in Oklahoma in 1898, going to a one-room school and eventually graduating from Harding in 1925 with a B.A. He and his bride spent the next 11 years as Church of Christ missionaries in China. In 1936, Harding College urged Benson to take over the presidency and for the next 29 years of his presidency Benson raised a great deal of money for the college. In 1936, he formed the National Education Program dedicated to teaching Americans the importance of faith in God, constitutional government and free enterprise (from Horatio Alger Association of Distinguished Americans). Benson retired in 1965. He was also chancellor of Oklahoma Christian University and presented a radio program Behind the News for many years. The Arkansas Archive of Public Communication has 543 tapes of his radio broadcasts on file (197585). He died in 1991.
On the Internet, there are references to the John Birch society and other conservative groups showing films produced by Harding College. There are also references to people who question Bensons beliefs. A review of Arkansas Mischief by Jim McDonald in the Denver Post, 1998, describes the purpose of Hardings National Education Program as to spread warnings of Communist peril lurking in the civil rights movement and among the ranks of peace demonstrators. An unidentified writer for www.spiritone.com says the organizations sole purpose was to produce propaganda films supporting his fascist views and the Church of Christ opposes most modern doctrines including Darwins theory of evolution. While the information on the site includes oversimplifications and basic factual errors, it does indicate the controversy that exists about Benson.
Harding hired John Sutherland Productions in Los Angeles to produce their animated films. Sutherland (1910-2001) worked for Disney for several years (chiefly as a writer) before opening his own studio in 1945. His first productions included the animated Daffy Dillies series for United Artists and a series of animated one-minute theatrical ads for Chiquita Bananas. He experimented using puppets in at least one of his early Daffy Dillies, but he became known for his high-end cel animation. It appears that his first propaganda films were for Harding College. They were distributed to theaters and to schools, civic groups and corporations by Loews, a division of MGM. He received an Oscar nomination in 1968 for the documentary short A Way Out of the Wilderness. His biography published in trade annuals says he was the creator of Thumper in Bambi. He was given screen credit in that film for being one of two actors doing the voice of Bambi.
The Sloan Foundation, Harding College and John Sutherland Productions
Alfred P. Sloan (1875-1966) was the CEO of General Motors from 1923 to 1946. He is considered the father of the modern corporation. Today his foundation is a major supporter of PBS radio and TV, medical research projects and other impressive projects. The foundation has ties with many major corporations and institutions. They were not mentioned in the 1967 scandal over the CIA using foundations as conduits.
George Stewart Benson, president of Harding University, was tapped by entrepreneur Alfred P. Sloan to make propaganda films. Courtesy of Harding University.
A story that sounds too simplistic to be accurate is Sloan heard George Stewart Benson, president of Harding College in Searcy, Arkansas, deliver a fundamentalist anti-labor diatribe and was so moved that he decided that day to underwrite Harding Colleges plans to produce educational anti-Communist, pro-free enterprise system films. In any case the Sloan Foundation did give Harding a lot of money to produce propaganda films (reports vary from $300,000 to $597,870). There were nine animated films made for Harding using money donated by Sloan according to Rick Prelinger. He runs Ephemeral Film, a film library that had an enormous collection of unusual films paid for by corporations, educational institutions and our government. The collection was purchased by the Library of Congress in 2002.
I find it hard to believe that the just-retired head of General Motors would fund an expensive propaganda film in Technicolor and let a school in Arkansas with no track record as a film producer handle the project unless there was an unstated ulterior motive. Sloan isnt mentioned in the film credits, which is odd as most sponsors want some recognition. Did he want the school to be his front? Something about the project doesnt make sense.
Benson's deal with Sloan benefited Harding University financially.
Since the first of the Harding films dates from 1948 and the CIA was created in July 1947 it is possible, but unlikely that one of the CIAs first activities was to fund propaganda cartoons. It is possible the films were made at the request of another federal agency, but most likely the money used was Sloans. He probably felt there was a need for strong anti-Communist propaganda films and using Harding would keep his name from being identified with the cause. It is common for foundations to give restrictive gifts that are designed for the money to be used for specific purposes.
Mike Barrier, author of the remarkably well-researched Hollywood Cartoons, interviewed John Sutherland in February 1990. Sutherland owned the Hollywood studio that produced the animated series for Harding. His interview confirms the above scenario and adds additional information. Sutherland told Barrier that Sloan sent a representative to Walt to approach him about making cartoons on economic themes and that Walt sent the representative to Sutherland. Sutherland told Barrier that Sloan gave a grant to Harding so they could commission him to make the films. Harding owns the rights to the films so any income from them went to the college. The school also owns the negatives to the films. Barrier was also told, So I got a million dollar contract.
Sutherland probably inflated the amount of the contract in his conversation. A typical Warner Bros. cartoon cost about $23,000 to make in the mid-50s and George Pal Puppetoons were costing under $50,000 at Paramount after WWII. Prelingers $597,870 is probably the most likely amount for the grant.
Eventually other conservative corporations contributed to Harding including General Electric, U.S. Steel and Olin Mathieson Chemical. By 1961 Hardings endowment from corporations was said to be $6 million.
Harding, founded in 1924, began as a small religious college, run by the Church of Christ. It is named after James Harding, a minister who was co-founder of the Nashville Bible School. The school was integrated in 1962, becoming the first college in the state to integrate. Today Harding University is a much larger institution offering a wide range of degree programs.
Bensons biography includes his being born in a log cabin in Oklahoma in 1898, going to a one-room school and eventually graduating from Harding in 1925 with a B.A. He and his bride spent the next 11 years as Church of Christ missionaries in China. In 1936, Harding College urged Benson to take over the presidency and for the next 29 years of his presidency Benson raised a great deal of money for the college. In 1936, he formed the National Education Program dedicated to teaching Americans the importance of faith in God, constitutional government and free enterprise (from Horatio Alger Association of Distinguished Americans). Benson retired in 1965. He was also chancellor of Oklahoma Christian University and presented a radio program Behind the News for many years. The Arkansas Archive of Public Communication has 543 tapes of his radio broadcasts on file (197585). He died in 1991.
On the Internet, there are references to the John Birch society and other conservative groups showing films produced by Harding College. There are also references to people who question Bensons beliefs. A review of Arkansas Mischief by Jim McDonald in the Denver Post, 1998, describes the purpose of Hardings National Education Program as to spread warnings of Communist peril lurking in the civil rights movement and among the ranks of peace demonstrators. An unidentified writer for www.spiritone.com says the organizations sole purpose was to produce propaganda films supporting his fascist views and the Church of Christ opposes most modern doctrines including Darwins theory of evolution. While the information on the site includes oversimplifications and basic factual errors, it does indicate the controversy that exists about Benson.
Harding hired John Sutherland Productions in Los Angeles to produce their animated films. Sutherland (1910-2001) worked for Disney for several years (chiefly as a writer) before opening his own studio in 1945. His first productions included the animated Daffy Dillies series for United Artists and a series of animated one-minute theatrical ads for Chiquita Bananas. He experimented using puppets in at least one of his early Daffy Dillies, but he became known for his high-end cel animation. It appears that his first propaganda films were for Harding College. They were distributed to theaters and to schools, civic groups and corporations by Loews, a division of MGM. He received an Oscar nomination in 1968 for the documentary short A Way Out of the Wilderness. His biography published in trade annuals says he was the creator of Thumper in Bambi. He was given screen credit in that film for being one of two actors doing the voice of Bambi.
