KyokushinKarateMan
Train hard, fight easy
Please don't feed into him
52 Hand Blocks - let's talk about it
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Please don't feed into him
get off your high horse jesus Christ
what I said was common sense for anybody with a brain, history is reflection it
I didnt know this bullshyt went beyond slap boxing 
Subtract the wtf-surprise factor from it and I cant see this being a effective fighting style.
Too much flair, wasted movement, too much openness. Effective in the streets or jail against untrained, undisciplined guys? Yeah sure, Against someone properly trained? Man get this shyt outta here.
Subtract the wtf-surprise factor from it and I cant see this being a effective fighting style.
Too much flair, wasted movement, too much openness. Effective in the streets or jail against untrained, undisciplined guys? Yeah sure, Against someone properly trained? Man get this shyt outta here.
The Fukin Prophecy
RIP Champ
Like I said earlier, a lot of wack street nikkas tarnished the reputation of the system with this slap boxing shyt...Those who know what they're doing do not flail their arms around without purpose...The point of the movements is not to confuse, its to create openings a lot like techniques used in boxing...for example parrying, the philly shell and shoulder roll are variations of cross-arm defense, the objective is to deflect/make punches slide off you while putting yourself in position to deliver a clean punch...Even Tyson's bob and weave is a good example...what was the purpose of that movement? weave under straight punches putting yourself in position to deliver a power punch...I didnt know this bullshyt went beyond slap boxing
Subtract the wtf-surprise factor from it and I cant see this being a effective fighting style.
Too much flair, wasted movement, too much openness. Effective in the streets or jail against untrained, undisciplined guys? Yeah sure, Against someone properly trained? Man get this shyt outta here.
Anyone whose serious about the 52 needs to watch this brotha...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1422327029&v=RLjtJgI8ELA&x-yt-cl=84838260
This is Floyd training with Roger
The difference is what I said earlier, you utilize your elbows and forearms with the 52 which are illegal in boxing...Funny thing is Floyd has a reputation for using his elbows...
KyokushinKarateMan
Train hard, fight easy
I didnt know this bullshyt went beyond slap boxing
Subtract the wtf-surprise factor from it and I cant see this being a effective fighting style.
Too much flair, wasted movement, too much openness. Effective in the streets or jail against untrained, undisciplined guys? Yeah sure, Against someone properly trained? Man get this shyt outta here.
I saw, from my "outsiders" perspective(i dont train in 52), what I perceive to be a lot of uneccessary movement at times as well.. a lot of "fainting" and just overall showing their hand, giving themselves away, without even realizing it. But I'm trained. I can see how, against someone untrained, that would be an advantage.
At the same time, I don't train 52. What I perceive to be 'wasted movement' could actually serve some purpose.
That said, just as I reminded the other poster, this wasn't MEANT to be a "fighting style", exhibited in rings and octagons around the world and/or in competition.
Instead, it WAS in fact designed to be "effective in the streets or jail against untrained, undisciplined guys" as you stated.. and I think that it a testament to it's effectiveness that people keep contesting it, and questioning how it would fare against actual martial arts.
the thing is cross armed has always been a boxing technique that's not something invented by 52
in boxing it is legal to block with your elbows, as far as Floyd is concerned people complain about him pushing off with his elbows or some times striking them with an elbow on some dirty boxing shyt
I didnt know this bullshyt went beyond slap boxing
Subtract the wtf-surprise factor from it and I cant see this being a effective fighting style.
Too much flair, wasted movement, too much openness. Effective in the streets or jail against untrained, undisciplined guys? Yeah sure, Against someone properly trained? Man get this shyt outta here.
A lot of people in prison box, boxing is a poor mans art, from I see of the 52 it' just boxing street oriented, and i'm pretty sure that's how the techniques developed from guys who already knew how to box, because a lot of those 52 techniques are just boxing techniques
The Fukin Prophecy
RIP Champ
You misunderstood me bruh...
I never said the 52 invented cross armed defense, all I was pointing out is the movements are similar in purpose to a few things we see in boxing...As far as elbows are concerned I was referring to striking, not blocking...Floyd does throw his elbows offensively from time to time but obviously not in the same manner dude in the video I posted does...It is mostly pushing off like you said...
The problem I see with the 52 is the samething @KyokushinKarateka pointed out, there are wasted movements but the same can be said for a lot of other martial arts... I also do not agree with the style being only effective against untrained inmates...IMO the 52 is just as viable in the Octagon or boxing ring as Karate and wing chun are...
It looks like your arms would get tired from moving em back n forth so quick
KyokushinKarateMan
Train hard, fight easy
Goes back to the wasted movement debate.. I felt the same way initially but remember, they train that way
They're conditioned for all of that.
They also say that each movement does have a purpose, each movement is an attempt to gain leverage or create an opening.
I've seen moments in these vids where it can't be rationalized with that ^ ,, but I digress..because again, I'm not trained in it and therefore harbor a fair amount of ignorance regarding it
Amare's Right Hook
Southeast World Champion
I didnt know this bullshyt went beyond slap boxing
Subtract the wtf-surprise factor from it and I cant see this being a effective fighting style.
Too much flair, wasted movement, too much openness. Effective in the streets or jail against untrained, undisciplined guys? Yeah sure, Against someone properly trained? Man get this shyt outta here.
I've never trained in this fighting style but have always been interested since waaay back in the early 90s.
My personal attractions to it is that it's very street effective, it's a Black originated art, and the practicioners are usually conscious brothers (whether you agree with their 'religious' beliefs or not).
I also like it because it makes racist whites uncomfortable - and i'll touch on that a little more, later.
Many peoples' first recollection of ever even hearing the term '52 hand blocks' was when the GZA referenced it in the song "Cold World" from the album Liquid Swords, in this line:
"...Beat nikkaz toothless, physically cut up like gooses,
but with iron on the side thugs took no excuses, therefore,
your fifty-two hand blocks was useless.."
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Here are a few clips briefly explaining 52 Hand Blocks
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A few excerpts from Wikipedia:
Jailhouse rock (fighting style)
Jailhouse rock or JHR is a name which is used to describe a collection of different fighting styles that have been practiced and/or developed within US penal institutions. The different regional “styles” of JHR vary but share a common emphasis on improvisation governed by a specific set of underlying principles.
Some examples of the many styles of JHR are 52 Hand Blocks,Comstock Style, Stato. Many of these styles of JHR are thought to have evolved regionally in different penal institutions.[1]
Jailhouse Rock if it exists is in fact one of two of the USA's only "Native Martial Arts", the other being called Rough and Tumble. As such, Jailhouse Rock, the 52 Hand Blocks and their variants may be compared to savate, which was originally a semi-codified fighting method associated with an urban criminal subculture, which underwent a gradual process of codification before becoming established as a martial art accessible by the cultural mainstream.
52 blocks has been referenced in journalist Douglas Century's Street Kingdom: Five Years Inside the Franklin Avenue Posse, as well as numerous Wu Tang Clan songs and Ted Conover's book Newjack. Recently, celebrities including actor Larenz Tate and rapper Ludacris have taken up the fighting system for film roles and self-defense, shining a brighter light on this previously unknown martial art.
Existential controversy
"The existence of this martial art has been debated, but some media exposure has contributed towards verifying the existence of Jailhouse Rock. According to researcher Douglas Century, professional boxers, including Zab Judah and Mike Tyson, have testified to the existence of the style and it is referred to in rap songs by artists including the Wu Tang Clan. Tales of the pugilistic exploits of legendary 1970's New York prison fighter "Mother Dear" have also contributed to the extensive urban mythology surrounding this system......."
"......The name 52 may be a reference to the playing card games of 52 Pickup and to the expression "let the cards fall where they may." Other theories relate the name to a combat training game involving the use of playing cards and/or to the Supreme Mathematics of the Nation of Gods and Earths. It could even be a reference, coded, symbolic, or otherwise, to a specific cell block. However, a more likely explanation is that it simply refers to the fifty-two blocking techniques encompassed in the art."
"......According to Dennis Newsome, a well-known JHR specialist, JHR is an indigenous African American fighting art that has its origins in the 17th and 18th centuries, when slaves were first institutionalized and needed to defend themselves. Oral tradition has the skill evolving secretly within the U.S. penal system, with regional styles reflecting the physical realities of specific institutions. This theory relates JHR to the fusion of African and European/American bare-knuckle fist-fighting styles known as "cutting", which is said to have been practiced by champions such as Tom Molineaux, and also to the little-known African-American fighting skill known as "knocking and kicking," which is said to be practiced clandestinely in parts of the Southern US and on the Sea Islands..."
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And here are some excerpts I found from the site USADojo.com where the author is an obvious bigot cac:
http://www.usadojo.com/articles/phil-elmore/myth-52-blocks.htm
"...These techniques range from striking to wrestling, using the hands, elbows, knees, head butts, and some low kicks. Practitioners of Jailhouse Rock supposedly learn in-depth knowledge of pressure points and vital striking areas, as well as foot sweeps and “Gangsta Locks”(which Newsome equates to trapping such as in Wing Chun or Jeet Kune Do)...."
"...According to Newsome, 52 Blocks or Jailhouse Rock is an underground system. Unless you go to jail, hang out in underground fighting circles, or are family to an ex con, you’ll never learn it — and if you are white guy, nobody will teach it to you. ..."
"....As Newsome’s interviewer, identified only as “Dempsy,” wrote, “the art is the art of the African who needs it for survival. Much like the Asians decades ago, who would not teach outside their race, the analogy is that you do not give your enemy your best weapon.” In other words, Jailhouse Rock is a racist, racially determined system, in which all of you who are white and NOT in prison are the enemy. .."
"...The fiction of Jailhouse Rock is now realized as a living, breathing style because there are people who say so… regardless of the truth. In so doing, they’ve breathed life into the lie of 52 Blocks… and helped further the popular culture imagery associated with street criminals and thugs, for good or for ill..."
Got these bigots sick to their stomachs at a Black Martial Art
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More Footage:
http://www.nytimes.com/video/style/1194841017001/the-52-blocks.html?src=vidm
Good Article on 52 Hand Blocks and origin: http://www.fullcontactmartialarts.org/52-hand-blocks-jailhouse-rock-jhr.htm
FB Page: https://www.facebook.com/52Blocks
Good shyt OP. Im subbing cuz im genuinely interested in this.
only street fight lasting 5-10 minutes is rocky balboa v.s. tommy gunn
Even more so for you because you'd be like one of the only dudes on that side of the country who ever even heard of it let alone knows it
Never too late to do it in the amateurs
