Anyone else notice that NOW the left wants to resurrect states rights.

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That was creative. It seems liberals still value Human Rights and find the largest threat to that being new federal government policies. So they are opposing those policies.

But why not make a thread saying "isn't it odd that conservatives are attacking state's rights?"

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Did the federal government actually attempt to punish states who didn't want to set up their own exchanges? No.

Is the federal government now attempting to punish states who don't want to enforce federal immigration law? Yes.

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:mjgrin: Are you saying Obamas administration didnt apply some pressure to those states overtly or covertly....


Cmon son...If the real difference according to you is the Threats or methods attempted to gain compliance then you really haven't disproved what i said...

Lefties have argued in favor of Federal dominance for as long as i can remember.

But now theyre all for state nullification.....its a bizarre twist ...just admit it and stop reaching for straws
 

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:mjgrin: Are you saying Obamas administration didnt apply some pressure to those states overtly or covertly....

You want me to prove or disprove the existence of "covert" pressure on Republican governors to set up healthcare exchanges?

Yeah, no. That burden is on you.

Cmon son...If the real difference according to you is the Threats or methods attempted to gain compliance then you really haven't disproved what i said...

Well, the "methods attempted to gain compliance" is what matters for purposes of the Tenth Amendment. So I guess if you think the Tenth Amendment is silly, cool. And no, that's not the only difference. The difference is in what the states were refusing to do and why they were refusing to do it.

As a consequence of SCOTUS's decision on the Medicaid issue in NFIB v. Sebelius, Republican governors intentionally refused to take additional Medicaid money for their own citizens. In King v. Burwell, the GOP's legal operatives argued that Obamacare tax credits were tied to whether or not a state-created exchange existed. So if a governor didn't want to set up a federal exchange, then nobody in their state got tax credits.

In both cases, they were literally keeping money out of the hands of their own citizens' pockets because they wanted Obamacare to be a failure.

That's a far cry from strong-arming state and local law enforcement to go around and enforce federal immigration law, which directly hampers their ability to enforce state law because its a disincentive for illegal immigrants to report any crime to the cops.

But now theyre all for state nullification.....its a bizarre twist ...just admit it and stop reaching for straws

WTF are you talking about? "Nullification" is not the same as the Tenth Amendment anti-comandeering principle. Stop using words you don't understand.

Nullification (U.S. Constitution) - Wikipedia
 

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Why do conservatives make the most low-brow arguments when it comes to this stuff? Its really like these people are truly cognitively different.

Whats lowbrow about a simple argument...For years liberals have said Feds >>>>>states but now they are supporting all the democrat governors and mayors who are telling Trump "no way"

Isnt that the case?
 

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Hope Trump has the balls to use the ridiculously over reaching government aparatus that Bush & Obama formed. Then maybe people will be outraged and we can get some roll back.
 
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