IllmaticDelta
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Cubas impact was huge but by the 1960's, Jamaica and Nuyoricans (they mainly based their sounds off of Cuban music) took the mantle from them as far as the Carib goes.
As a nation, Jamaica is the most influential music nation outside of the USA
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Cubas impact was huge but by the 1960's, Jamaica and Nuyoricans (they mainly based their sounds off of Cuban music) took the mantle from them as far as the Carib goes.
Not really.... It's just Cuban artists were blackballed ( and still are in the US). Puerto Ricans have been stealing music from Cuba all through the glory days of salsa because they know they could get away with it due to the political situation. Cuba never stopped giving music to yhe rest of the world.
For all intensive purposes Puerto Rican salsa is dead whereas Cuban groups live on and are huge in Europe, Japan and South American.
For all intensive purposes Puerto Rican salsa is dead whereas Cuban groups live on and are huge in Europe, Japan and South American.
OnlyInCalifornia
Southern California/Vegas
quotes from he and his peers and articles too
He was trying imitate Disco DJ's but his style was crude. What he was trying to do didn't come from Jamaica, it came from Disco djs.
That doesn't change the fact that he was an intricate part in what sparked Hip Hop. Everyone is influenced by someone at one point or another. I don't think anyone assumes that Kool Herc just magically came up with everything.
Well...since Jamaica was under rule by the UK and had many influences on their overall culture and the way they live(they are still a part of the commonwealth)...that should eventually lead back to the UK being more influential...
LOL I'm just fukkin with y'all....gotta give props to the Jamaicans though, they have had a huge influence in Music.
But those putting the UK down are crazy, their influence was pretty strong as well.
LOL I'm just fukkin with y'all....gotta give props to the Jamaicans though, they have had a huge influence in Music.
But those putting the UK down are crazy, their influence was pretty strong as well.
its a huge difference too our shyt is more slowed down and rootsy where as puerto rican is faster but it hits less damn near every song sounds the same we slay the drums
even our hip hop is more gutter than rican shyt you dont see daddy yankee snappin for 9 minutes about killin nikkas and selling dope lmao
IllmaticDelta
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The legacy of older Cuban music is still felt around the world for sure but they haven't really modernized the sound(s) to help spawn/influence newer genres. Puerto Ricans from New York basically hijacked the Cuban sound and modernized it to create Salsa.
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(cuban w/ some new york puerto Rican)
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IllmaticDelta
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If you're looking for more info on this check out
Standing in the Shadows of Motown: The Life and Music of Legendary Bassist James Jamerson
Exactly...illmatic delta did nothing to dispel the fact that BATTLING and TURNTABILISIM came from Jamaican pioneers in the 50s
In Jamaica its called CLASH..and soundsystems been clashing since the 50s
Like Duke Reid and Tom the Sebastian breaking out jumbo speakers out on opppsite side of the street to see WHO GOT THE LOUDEST SET and the MOST EXCLUSIVE TUNES
Coxsone Soundsystem use to search foe thr most obscure 45s ....
These were thr mobile soundsystems that FIRST MADE AN impression on west indian selectors like Herc..Bam and Flash...
OnlyInCalifornia
Southern California/Vegas
I don't want to argue because honestly, I am not an expert by any means on this subject. I do appreciate you both putting out links plus names. That's dope. I just don't see how it discredits Herc, what he did and how he helped spark a culture from his side. Of course he didn't do it himself, on some Moses coming down from a mountain by himself with the 10 Hip Hop commandments, but he certainly deserves the praise (and what little of it he actually gets in the grand scheme of all this)
IllmaticDelta
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OMG man. He was talking about Djing and it's obvious that HipHop djing came from Disco.
The concept of battling (in hiphop that could be with words-music or dancing) or one upping someone was already in Jazz decades earlier
Founding Fathers Documentary: Hip Hop Did Not Start in the Bronx
Read below
http://hiphopandpolitics.com/2014/02/05/founding-fathers-documentary-hip-hop-start-bronx/
Dude. ...HIP HOP deejays WERE NOT drawing thier inspiration for battling from JAZZ
stop dat
THE BRONX IS FULL OF JAMAICANS that brought that culture of Clashing to NYC
im an OG who witnessed this shyt...hell eith ur misinformed wikileaks
IllmaticDelta
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You will not find anything like this in the Jamaican Sound system operators because it relates more to Disco
IllmaticDelta
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The Jazz "battle of the bands" of who can play the best tunes are the precursor. It's easy to draw a straight line from the Dozens to Battle rapping or Lindy Hop battles to bboy battles.
You claim to have witnessed it yet your facts don't add up
I deaded your whole post in this thread with FACTS!!http://www.thecoli.com/threads/fact...as-pimps-down-south.62884/page-2#post-8953169
Get your facts right before posting. I mean you did say this:
@ :36 sec
"Im not Jamaican...that's Kool Herc. My family is from North Carolina"
The Jazz "battle of the bands" of who can play the best tunes are the precursor. It's easy to draw a straight line from the Dozens to Battle rapping or Lindy Hop battles to bboy battles.
You claim to have witnessed it yet your facts don't add up
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/fact...as-pimps-down-south.62884/page-2#post-8953169
Get your facts right before posting. I mean you did say this:
@ :36 sec
"Im not Jamaican...that's Kool Herc. My family is from North Carolina"
. But anyway lets put aside logistics here. The dancehall stuff sounds way to similar to hip hop and its been around longer than hip hop. How do we explain that?