Boston adds 2nd round pick to finalize the Kyrie Irving trade

[IllmaticDelta]

I don't know why you guys give Kyrie a hard time for not being able to play well when LeBron sits. The whole fukking team is built around LeBron, not Kyrie.

bad excuse considering everyone looked good when delly ran the show minus lebron on the floor

there is a reason delly had more team impact outside of direst scoring than kyrie. The 2015-2016 stats, the championship season

WITH and WITHOUT LeBron James               
            
          WITH     min    per 48  |  WITHOUT    min   per 48  |  DIFFERENCE
Frye     + 3.9     8.2    + 22.8  |  - 2.1    10.7    - 9.4   |  +32.2
Delly    + 5.6    16.8    + 16.0  |  - 0.1     9.1    - 0.5   |  +16.5
Shumpert + 3.4    12.5    + 13.1  |  + 0.3    12.8    + 1.1   |  +11.9
Thompson + 5.6    20.7    + 13.0  |  - 0.9     8.8    - 4.9   |  +17.9
Love     + 6.7    27.4    + 11.7  |  - 0.8     6.2    - 6.2   |  +17.9
Smith    + 5.3    26.9    + 9.5   |  - 1.0     6.3    - 7.6   |  +17.1
Irving   + 4.2    23.6    + 8.5   |    0.0    10.0      0.0   |  + 8.5
Jefferso + 1.0     7.3    + 6.6   |  - 1.3    12.7    - 4.9   |  +11.5
Williams + 1.9    15.8    + 5.8   |  - 2.7     6.3    -20.6   |  +26.3

These are outrageous numbers. The kind of difference LeBron makes is huge. Without LeBron on court, each player gets net losses across the board. With him, massive positives. The difference is staggering.

As a comparison, here are the same with-without +/- stats for the other members of the "Big 3". Or perhaps "massive 1 and biggish 2"?

Irving:

WITH and WITHOUT Irving
                
           WITH                      WITHOUT
          "+/-"    min    per 48     "+/-"    min     per 48        DIFFERENCE
James    + 4.2    23.6    + 8.5   |  + 5.4    20.4    + 12.7    |    - 4.2
Smith    + 2.3    22.2    + 5.0   |  + 2.5    15.8     + 7.6    |    - 2.6
Thompson + 4.4    27.7    + 7.6   |  + 3.9    31.5     + 5.9    |    + 1.7
Love     + 2.8    23.1    + 5.8   |  + 3.9    17.3     +10.8    |    - 5.0
Shumpert + 1.1    13.0    + 4.1   |  + 2.4    12.8     + 9.0    |    - 4.9
Delly    + 1.4     8.8    + 7.6   |  + 4.3    19.8     +10.4    |    - 2.8
Frye     + 0.7     9.6    + 3.5   |  + 0.6     9.2     + 3.1    |    + 0.4
Jeffers  + 0.6     8.0    + 3.6   |  - 0.9    13.3     - 3.2    |    + 6.8
Willia   - 1.0     3.5    -13.7   |  - 1.0    17.6     - 2.7    |    -11.0

This doesn't paint Irving's impact on his teammates in a particularly positive light. He is getting big credit for stepping up in the Finals, but his impact based on regular season +/- is not as impressive, especially for a "superstar". Statistically, the other two of the Big 3 actually preferred when they are playing without Irving. And this applies to several others too. Dissing Irving might be a dangerous thing to do around here, so I will just say: basketball is a team game.

And Love:

WITH and WITHOUT Love
              
           WITH                    | WITHOUT                    |
           +/-    min     per 48   | "+/-"    min    per 48     |  DIFFERENCE
James     + 6.7    27.4    + 11.7  |  + 1.8     9.7    + 8.9    |    +  2.8
Irving    + 2.8    23.1    +  5.8  |  + 1.4    10.5    + 6.4    |    -  0.6
Smith     + 3.3    23.8    +  6.7  |  + 0.9     8.4    + 5.1    |    +  1.5
Thompson  + 4.0    16.6    + 11.6  |  + 0.7    12.4    + 2.7    |    +  8.9
Shumpert  + 2.8    11.0    + 12.2  |  + 0.8    14.4    + 2.7    |    +  9.6
Delly     + 4.5    14.1    + 15.3  |  + 0.8    11.4    + 3.4    |    + 12.0
Frye      - 1.0     5.0    -  9.6  |  + 1.7    15.5    + 5.3    |    - 14.9
Jefferson + 0.1     7.5    +  0.6  |  - 0.7    11.5    - 2.9    |    +  3.6
Williams  + 1.4    14.7    +  4.6  |  - 2.4     7.1    -16.2    |    + 20.8

To honour the departing Delly, here is how the Cavs players played with and without him. Somehow Delly seems to add more value that the lesser 2 of the Big 3.

Delly:

WITH and WITHOUT Delly                       

          WITH                   |  WITHOUT                   |
         "+/-"    min    per 48  |  "+/-"    min    per 48    |    DIFFERENCE
James     +5.6    16.8    +16.0  |   +3.0    20.4    +7.1     |    +8.9
Irving    +1.4     8.8     +7.6  |   +2.8    24.7    +5.4     |    +2.2
Smith     +3.2    12.6    +12.2  |   +1.2    19.4    +3.0     |    +9.2
Thompson  +3.0    15.2     +9.5  |   +1.6    13.8    +5.6     |    +3.9
Love      +4.5    14.1    +15.3  |   +1.4    18.5    +3.6     |   +11.7
Shumpert  +2.3    13.9     +7.9  |   +1.4    11.7    +5.7     |    +2.2
Frye      +0.3    10.7     +1.3  |   +1.0     7.7    +6.2     |    -4.9
Jeffers   +0.9    10.6     +4.1  |   -1.5     8.4    -8.6     |   +12.6
Williams  +1.8     7.3    +11.8  |   -2.4    14.7    -7.8     |   +19.7

 

[Houston911]

DO U KNOW WHY THE THREAD ABOUT CAVS EXPLORING A VETO WAS DELETED? NOT EVEN MERGED..JUST FLAT OUT DELETED.

Nah I didn't see it

 

[Sccit]

Nobody gives a fukk what you post a$$hole

How bout you get the fukk outta here

ON A SCALE FROM 1-10, HOW MUCH DO U ENJOY MY NUTS IN YOUR MOUTH?

 

[Sccit]

Nah I didn't see it

YOU GOTA TALK TO YOUR PEOPLES BRO .. ACTIN LIKE THAT SHIIT WASNT A REAL STORY, NOW WORD CIRCULATING THAT CLEVELAND IS LOOKING FOR TATUM/BROWN TO COMPLETE THE DEAL. MOST FOLKS ON THIS FORUM DONT EVEN REALIZE THATS GOIN ON DUE TO THE POOR JOB BY MODS DELETING THE THREAD.

 

[Houston911]

YOU GOTA TALK TO YOUR PEOPLES BRO .. ACTIN LIKE THAT SHIIT WASNT A REAL STORY, NOW WORD CIRCULATING THAT CLEVELAND IS LOOKING FOR TATUM/BROWN TO COMPLETE THE DEAL. MOST FOLKS ON THIS FORUM DONT EVEN REALIZE THATS GOIN ON DUE TO THE POOR JOB BY MODS DELETING THE THREAD.

Oh nvm

It was already being discussed in the mega thread

Your thread only had like 6 replies st the time

Anyone who doesn't know that they're negotiating for more pieces just doesn't follow the nba.

Everybody I know in real life is talking about it and they aren't diehard fans like the coli

 

[Copy Ninja]

If he sits out the season he doesn't get the max. Boston moves on and has a near max slot next summer and 2 top 10 picks.

That's not a loss for Boston in my eyes

Cousins is a FA next year. Might work out for Boston

 

[Sccit]

Oh nvm

It was already being discussed in the mega thread

Your thread only had like 6 replies st the time

Anyone who doesn't know that they're negotiating for more pieces just doesn't follow the nba.

Everybody I know in real life is talking about it and they aren't diehard fans like the coli

I KNOW BUT I POSTED BOUT THIS 3-4 DAYS BACK, WHEN MOST PEOPLE DIDNT KNOW.

EITHER WAY, I THINK IT DESERVES ITS OWN HEADLINE AND I BELIEVE IT WAS DELETED CUZ THEY THOUGHT I WAS MAKIN IT UP/SPREADING FALSE RUMORS.

GOOD LOOKS THO.

 

[Houston911]

I KNOW BUT I POSTED BOUT THIS 3-4 DAYS BACK, WHEN MOST PEOPLE DIDNT KNOW.

EITHER WAY, I THINK IT DESERVES ITS OWN HEADLINE AND I BELIEVE IT WAS DELETED CUZ THEY THOUGHT I WAS MAKIN IT UP/SPREADING FALSE RUMORS.

GOOD LOOKS THO.

Nah breh, you post legit sh*t

I should have merged it but I just deleted since it was so few posts

 

[eastside313]

None of this is really true. The Cavs doubled Curry aggressively this past Finals as they've always done. Durant was the one getting 1on1 coverage and Irving the same because of LeBron. Curry is not guarded straight up while Irving usually is. That's the biggest difference between them.

So you don't see Kyrie having to drive and finish over 2 and 3 people damn near everytime.

 

[Houston911]

So you don't see Kyrie having to drive and finish over 2 and 3 people damn near everytime.

 

[Consumed]

So you don't see Kyrie having to drive and finish over 2 and 3 people damn near everytime.

I don't see the Warriors forcing the ball out of his hands like they often do to Curry. Irving is given the freedom to create. The Cavs want to eliminate Curry from possessions entirely. Sometimes the Warriors make this easier for them to do by running him off ball where the refs don't call contact as much.

 

[eastside313]

I don't see the Warriors forcing the ball out of his hands like they often do to Curry. Irving is given the freedom to create. The Cavs want to eliminate Curry from possessions entirely. Sometimes the Warriors make this easier for them to do by running him off ball where the refs don't call contact as much.

90% of people's reaction watching the finals last year.

Good lord how Kyrie make that Vs how the hell is curry getting these wide open shots.

 

[Shadow King]

I don't know why you guys give Kyrie a hard time for not being able to play well when LeBron sits. The whole fukking team is built around LeBron, not Kyrie.

It's a team full of jumpshooters it shouldn't be that difficult

 

[Consumed]

90% of people's reaction watching the finals last year.

Good lord how Kyrie make that Vs how the hell is curry getting these wide open shots.

Curry created 70% of his shots off the dribble in the Finals so not sure what you mean here. I don't know what people are watching if they think Kyrie is being focused harder than Curry.

 

[McPiff]

Nah breh, you post legit sh*t