China seeks deeper military cooperation with Syria

[FAH1223]

Also...

 

[Poh SIti Dawn]

I feel like for Russia to take off from Iran, means that we gave them the go ahead. Iont think they can plot as much as we assume, I think they might just try to buddy up to us first, realizing that they don't have much of a chance of integrating fully into this world

 

[FAH1223]

I feel like for Russia to take off from Iran, means that we gave them the go ahead. Iont think they can plot as much as we assume, I think they might just try to buddy up to us first, realizing that they don't have much of a chance of integrating fully into this world

Read this:

Massive Russian Air Campaign To Stop U.S.-Al-Qaeda Attack On Aleppo
The west of Aleppo city has always stayed under control of the Syrian government. It inhabits about 1.5 million people. Over the last two weeks it has come into imminent danger of falling into Jihadi hands.

With large U.S. and Gulf supplies of new weapons, ammunition and intelligence some 10,000+ radical Jihadis, led by al-Qaeda in Syria, attacked Aleppo city. After several days they managed to break the south-eastern defense and created a small corridor into east-Aleppo. The area is besieged by government forces and under Jihadi control.

Aleppo as reported by "western" media

Several other large attacks followed but could barely be held back. The government forces are a mix of local defense units and auxiliaries from Afghanistan and Iraq. Their defenses seemed little prepared for the onslaught of suicide vehicles followed by mass infantry attacks. Moral was low and positions were given up without proper coordination.

The Syrian government and its allies could not use helicopters to support the defense as newly arrived MANPADs used by the Jihadis endanger any aircraft that flies low and slow.

To stop attacks and to prepare for counter moves valuable reserves had to be activated. Elite forces of the Lebanese Hizbullah and the Tiger brigade of the Syrian army were thrown into the battle. They managed to hold the Jihadi attacks for now but lack the mass to respond in kind.

The Russians have warned since April that such a large Jihadi offense was imminent, but it held back from any response while in talks with the U.S. administration. But the U.S. willingness to talk was largely a deception in support of the now ongoing attack.

The Jihadi campaign aims to occupy all of Aleppo city. It was named after a man who, in 1979, mass murdered a group of cadets belonging to a religious minorities. Should the Jidadis manage to win in Aleppo thousands of civilians will likely die. This would not only effect minorities. Aleppo is a Sunni city and the war is, contrary to "western" propaganda, not between religious minorities and the general Sunni population but between radical Sunni sects and their mainstream brethren.

About two weeks ago the Russian military openly prepared an appropriate response. Their most modern spy plane, a Tu 214R was send to Syria to collect targeting information. This in addition to two Il-20M reconnaissance planes already deployed there. Navy maneuvers along the Syrian coast as well as in the Caspian sea were prepared. Agreement with Iran about support measures were arranged.

in the east-Mediterranean and in the Caspian Sea. Yesterday long range Tu-22M3 strategic bombers and Su-34 tactical bombers deployed to Hamedan airbase in Iran. The route from Hamedan to Syria is 60% shorter than from Russia. The planes will thus be able to fly more often and with additional load. Iraq granted overflight rights. This open cooperation, publicly announced with pictures from the Iranian base, sends a loud message to the "international community" of Jihadi supporters. China adds to it by announcing tighter cooperation with the Syrian military.

Today a large scale bombing campaign against all support, supply and reserve assets of the Jihadis attacking Aleppo was launched. All major communications points, headquarters, depots and assembly areas between Aleppo and the Turkish border west of it will be bombed. Any reconnoitered fixed target will be attacked, probably multiple times, and destroyed. Then moving convoys and other targets of opportunity will come under attack. The campaign will continue for several days.

Such large scale attacks in the rear of attacking forces have no immediate influence on the front-lines. Expect some renewed Jihdai attacks on Aleppo city proper to divert from the slaughter of their assets in the rear. But after a few days their front-line supplies will run out and no new supplies will be there to arrive. The general attack on Aleppo will then falter.

All of this will only stall the situation in Syria. The Syrian government currently lacks the capability to retake and secure the large area between Aleppo, Idleb and the Turkish border. Additional changes in the strategic situation will be needed to turn the war into either direction.

But the then likely failed attack on Aleppo will have chewed up a large amount of assets and personal the U.S. supported Jihadis and their allies are able to deploy. The center of gravity of the war will probably move elsewhere, away from Aleppo proper.

All this of course depends on luck and all the other imponderables of war.

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2016/08/russia-launches-massive-air-campaign-to-stop-us-supported-al-qaeda-attacks-on-aleppo-.html#more

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

What is that crap article you just quoted? A U.S.-Al-Qaeda Attack On Aleppo? Why do you guys subject yourselves to such bullshyt sources?

Russia says close to joint military action with U.S. in Aleppo: agencies

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/16/world/middleeast/syria-aleppo-russia.html?_r=0

Acknowledging an unfolding disaster in Syria’s besieged city of Aleppo, where roughly two million people are trapped, Russia conceded on Monday that daily three-hour halts in fighting that it had proposed last week were insufficient, possibly opening the door to longer pauses.

Russia also suggested that it was close to an agreement on a military collaboration with the United States to attack Islamic State fighters in the Aleppo area as part of a solution. Such a joint effort would be a new level of cooperation between the two powers in seeking a way out of the five-year-old Syria war, in which the Russians and Americans basically back opposite sides.

The developments suggested that Russia wished to avoid the appearance of responsibility for the suffering in Aleppo, the once-thriving commercial epicenter of northern Syria that has been a strategic battleground for much of the war.

A week ago, insurgents embedded in the eastern part of Aleppo broke a stalemate against Syrian military forces and their Russian allies, effectively blocking government-held western Aleppo and isolating the entire city.

Russia and the United States are close to starting joint military action against militants in Syria's Aleppo, Russian news agencies on Monday quoted Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu as saying.

Fighting for control of the divided city of some 2 million people has intensified in recent weeks and there have been some gains for rebel groups battling Syrian government forces.

Russia backs Syrian President Bashar al Assad in the five-year-old Syria conflict, while the United States wants to see Assad step down. But both are participating in talks to try to find a political solution to end the civil war.

Senior Russian and U.S. military officials have held Geneva negotiations on Aleppo and on restoring an overall ceasefire, U.N. Special Envoy for Syria Staffan de Mistura said last Thursday.

 

[FAH1223]

What is that crap article you just quoted? A U.S.-Al-Qaeda Attack On Aleppo? Why do you guys subject yourselves to such bullshyt sources?

Russia says close to joint military action with U.S. in Aleppo: agencies

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/16/world/middleeast/syria-aleppo-russia.html?_r=0

The "moderate rebels" are embedded with Al-Qaeda. Using US weapons brought in from Turkey via the CIA. They have MANPADs which restrict helicopter use by the Russians in Aleppo... and they've carved out East and Southeast Aleppo.

Gareth Porter dissects Propaganda System spin on Syria:

https://consortiumnews.com/2016/08/12/rigging-the-coverage-of-syria

 

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and under Jihadi control.


Aleppo as reported by "western" media

that map breh

pet shop,dr office

 

[FAH1223]

that map breh

pet shop,dr office

I trust those nikkas writing about Syria than any idiot at NYT, WaPo, WSJ, LA Times, etc

 

[ZoeGod]

Iran getting close to Russia is a geopolitical chess move by both sides. Iran is gonna buy advanced Russian and Chinese weapons in the coming decades to close the technology gap they have with the GCC. Russian military bases in Iran ensures that Israel or Saudi Arabia from striking Iran. And for Russia this will alow them to extert influence in the mideast.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

The "moderate rebels" are embedded with Al-Qaeda. Using US weapons brought in from Turkey via the CIA. They have MANPADs which restrict helicopter use by the Russians in Aleppo... and they've carved out East and Southeast Aleppo.

Gareth Porter dissects Propaganda System spin on Syria:

https://consortiumnews.com/2016/08/12/rigging-the-coverage-of-syria

Saying "moderate rebels (which btw?)" are embedded with Al-Qaeda is a far cry from US-Al-Qaeda led attack on Aleppo which your article posits. Wrt MANPADs and the CIA - I can't find anything on that outside of a WSJ article citing anonymous officials - who were fearful of some coalition partners providing MANPADs to rebels and supposedly a "plan B". Most everything else is pushback against the ideal [1]. And I'm not reading consortium news. There's a weird Pro-Assad bias which permeates their articles on Syria. The attack on HRW over Assad's gassing of his own people was enough for me.

[1]Reps. Conyers, Yoho: Sending MANPADS to Syria Is Still a Stupid Thing We Shouldn't Do

 

[Domingo Halliburton]

How has the phrase "chess not checkers" not been used yet in here?

 

[88m3]

very biased article fah...

 

[FAH1223]

very biased article fah...

Sure it is

But they're biased and providing facts and it's the other perspective

I supported the Free Syrian Army. There's no FSA. The war is done. The only avenue is a political solution with the opposition that aren't international terrorists

 

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Sure it is

But they're biased and providing facts and it's the other perspective

I supported the Free Syrian Army. There's no FSA. The war is done. The only avenue is a political solution with the opposition that aren't international terrorists

Yup...Honestly the Jihadis have strengthened the case to leave Assad in power for as long as it takes to clear them out

 

[Gains]

whats good with this years proxy war

 

[Camile.Bidan]

Looks like the players are mobilizing.


If there ends up being an Globalist vs Nationalist war, I don't know what I will do.


I CANNOT support something that I don't believe in, and I 100% do not believe in the progressive agenda, their objective of a Global Government, the Consolidation of globar power into the western Socialist federation (or whatever they are going to call it), I don't have want to endure their identity politics anymore, I am tired of the SJW BS, and I belief that every nation state should determine it's own fate.


If we are to battle over this, I don't want me or my children spilling blood over what I don't believe in. If those on the right-wing don't somehow start a civil war in the united states and break away from the liberals, I am contemplating that maybe I need to defect to the Eastern World. My children already speak mandarin, and they can pass as Chinese.

It's come to the point where, I literally hate liberals, I hate the liberal media, and I feel that there is no way we are going to ever settle our debates through democracy anymore. It's either we split the nation apart peacefully , or we go to war on the battlefield.

The liberals know absolutely where this is headed, so they want to disarm all the conservatives right now with gun control laws.