Germanwings A320 plane crash in southern France (150 dead) update:co-pilot deliberately crashed it

[Professor Emeritus]

FYI (to the non aviators) : A considerable issue is that if a pilot goes to the company and says he is stressed or depressed or suffering any diminished mental capacity, he is usually taken off line and a black mark put against his name. Even if the condition is a passing one (e.g. due to a divorce, death in the family, financial woes), the pilot will still be earmarked as 'one to watch'. This in itself would mean that the system is operating as it is supposed to, but unfortunately any real or perceived reduction in a pilots capacity to handle stress will haunt his CV forever. Medical departments know what is at stake and err on the side of caution in most cases.

Couple this with the fact that there are no loss of licence policies that cover diminished mental capacity/mental illness, and coming forward to say you think you have a problem is as good as tearing up your pay check and kissing your career goodbye.

Can you imagine how many people in that same situation, or a similar one, would keep quiet about the depression or whatever other mental issue they were having so they could still be a pilot?

 

[RealAssanova]

Egyptair crashed outside Nantucket. What "local authorities" are you talking about?

egyptian and indonesian.

 

[RealAssanova]

Uh, you don't need to create any conspiracy theories to know that airlines and their government sponsors will do anything possible to deny the idea that their pilots are unreliable. That's not a "hell of a convenient coincidence", that's basic human nature.

What do you expect them to say? "Oh yes, we had an unreliable suicidal pilot flying that plane, but we promise to do better next time. Fly Egypt Air!" Of course they're not going to admit that happened - it would kill their business.

did you even read what i said on page 8?

and its quite obvious no government or airline would want to admit that one of their own was suicidal and could commit such an atrocity.

i'm just saying, how in both cases, both aircraft were american and both were ruled pilot suicide.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

did you even read what i said on page 8?

and its quite obvious no government or airline would want to admit that one of their own was suicidal and could commit such an atrocity.

i'm just saying, how in both cases, both aircraft were american and both were ruled pilot suicide.

You do realize that MOST of the commercial planes made have been American, right? Both planes being American isn't any more of a coincidence than both pilots being right-handed.

 

[gho3st]

Why can't the CAC just be crazy. Crazy is simple crazy is reliable, and crazy gives closure. That nacac was crazy. End of discussion.

Sometimes people just go crazy for no reason.

nikkas be like: "There's no such thing as mental illness. Cacs just dont want to call other cacs crazy"

While ignoring the fact that people who are "crazy", are well..... mentally ill

 

[RealAssanova]

You do realize that MOST of the commercial planes made have been American, right? Both planes being American isn't any more of a coincidence than both pilots being right-handed.

lemme hit you with some facts.

- that flight carried 30 high ranking military officials/officers/pilots that were trained in the U.S. and were heading back to egypt. This was also a time where Egypt-Israeli relations were on edge.
- 16 years later and the only thing they concluded was that batouti ditched the plane. Not one conclusive reason as to why?

- what the feds and the media failed to mention is that, if batouti had indeed shut the engines down....and the plane re-entered into a dive, how the hell could they ascend 7500 ft prior to that dive?

- the investigation claimed that the "prayer" stated by batouti was preceded by the words "I have made my decision now" but the actual translation of the prayer was "I put my faith in the hands of God." which is short for "tawakkul allah." Interestingly, (according to MSNBC) it was the FBI who initially "heard" Batouti say, "I've made my decision..." when the NTSB technicians flatly denied that this phrase was even on the tape

believe whatever you wanna believe dude, but that plane was purposely brought down. Both Batouti and capt. el-habashy were fighting to save that plane.

 

[BonafideDefacto]

@RealAssanova what's your position in the industry breh?

I've avoided this topic ever since it was reported that it was deliberate to avoid the ignorance involved in people's lack of aeronautics logic.

Someone did mention commercial planes aren't designed to crash..Nothing is designed to fail persay but engineering wise we make aircraft to defy gravity, the universe's most powerful force...nature is nature...it wins sometimes.
Sometimes I sit back at the airport and watch the planes come and go and I'm amazed everyday at how safe we have made aviation. Credit to people like me who are in the industry due to love not a job. See most of us were born with our face to the sky and never looked back. My airline alone flies 4,804 flights per day alone...flawlessly executed. That's an amazing number when u consider that American aviation has a pretty perfect record since 2001.

That said...

I'm going to show you guys the door, locking mechanism and some other things today to give you a decent idea of its setup in a plane when I get to work in a Lil bit. Ill post pics and see if I can figure out how to post a video.

 

[RealAssanova]

@RealAssanova what's your position in the industry breh?

I've avoided this topic ever since it was reported that it was deliberate to avoid the ignorance involved in people's lack of aeronautics logic.

Someone did mention commercial planes aren't designed to crash..Nothing is designed to fail persay but engineering wise we make aircraft to defy gravity, the universe's most powerful force...nature is nature...it wins sometimes.
Sometimes I sit back at the airport and watch the planes come and go and I'm amazed everyday at how safe we have made aviation. Credit to people like me who are in the industry due to love not a job. See most of us were born with our face to the sky and never looked back. My airline alone flies 4,804 flights per day alone...flawlessly executed. That's an amazing number when u consider that American aviation has a pretty perfect record since 2001.

That said...

I'm going to show you guys the door, locking mechanism and some other things today to give you a decent idea of its setup in a plane when I get to work in a Lil bit. Ill post pics and see if I can figure out how to post a video.

I've been an aviation buff since i was 5 years old fam. I also got my Canadian PPL in 2011 with 65 hours under my belt. I ain't current though and my CAT I medical is expired. I will, after exams end this month, go renew my medical and currency.

I'm majoring in finance at the moment in university, as a plan b. My goal is after i finish, to go back and pursue my commercial along with instrument, multi-engine and night ratings.

i also work at CYYZ. Been there since 2010.

where you based outta? by the sounds of it, you work for a major american airline. So my guess is you either based in ORD, ATL or DFW.

 

[Liu Kang]

OK enough derailment. @Digga38 and @thekyuke have been banned from the thread. I also had to clean the latest convos involving them and the replies (because of irrelevant talk about Israel/Palestine for the former and crazy wild conspiracy theories for the latter)

 

[passenger77]

My greatest fear was realized
When we started putting guarded doors in airplanes post 9/11 my initial thought was
'what if we get a maniac pilot'
or
what if a supposed terrorist does get access to the cockpit solo

See in the aviation industry we always have backup plans
there is no backup plan to Airbus's door issue
If the pilot doesnt want you in.
you simply cant get it

It sucks
But now we need to go back and review this

To me its like the man who holds the nuclear launch codes
not only 1 person can arm it,
it takes 2 so no one man has the power

So in this case we need to take a step back and review this

I dont think the locked door thing is of the same importance that we once thought
If a terrorist wanted in the cockpit for some reason
its the job of the 100 plus passengers to make sure he doesnt get in
its simple
So the armed door is unnecessary

Also
3 people need to posses the code if they do decide to keep the door armed
Both pilots and the head stewardess

My coworker tried to make the point of what if the head stewardess has a gun to her head
oh well
1 person isnt worth 200+
and that person with the gun doesnt have 200 bullets

Passengers should be more proactive in protecting there lives
and I think passengers are post 9/11​

Only in such situations(deaths) staffs in command wake up on the true nonsense of some protocols or...

...they only fear for their jobs...

Nowadays, you want a trip in plane?! You gotta have God on your side...

Who won't think about ? At this rate, travelling by airplane will be almost suicidal imo

They have to reassure people

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Who won't think about ? At this rate, travelling by airplane will be almost suicidal imo

They have to reassure people

Plane crashes aren't actually going up at all. Last year had the fewest incidents in more than 30 years. It's just that a lot more people are flying and the international news cycle is a lot more hyperactive, so it feels like more.

Mile for mile, flying is still a lot safer than driving a car.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

So now it looks like a doctor had declared the pilot "unfit for work" due to mental illness, but he had hid it from the airlines.

And his girlfriend says that he had told her he was planning a "spectacular gesture that everyone would remember".

Now watch the conspiracy theorists claim that the doctor's note is forged and the girlfriend was paid off. Of course, since the Germans and the French are the ones coming up with all this information, it sure doesn't fit the conspiracy theorists claims at all.

This is looking open and shut now. Dude had serious mental issues, and they didn't get him out of the occupation fast enough.

 

[MostReal]

Still ain't heard that "terrorist" title thrown at this piece of shyt...

I don't care what they say or define it as, you kill THAT many people, you are a terrorist in my book

 

[MostReal]

According to the CVR, the captain and first officer were engaged in normal dialogue prior to the captain leaving the flight deck. It was once the captain left, that the first officer switched the lever to "lock". In most cases though during cruise, for reasons such as one of the pilots leaving for a bathroom break, the lever will be in "norm" position.

Once the lever is in the "lock" position, there is no way anyone can get into that flight deck. However, if in "norm", anyone with the access code and another method would be able to enter into the flight deck.

I think yall are making this too hard, keep the armed lock door, but make it a two person code from inside the cockpit.

 

[passenger77]

So now it looks like a doctor had declared the pilot "unfit for work" due to mental illness, but he had hid it from the airlines.

And his girlfriend says that he had told her he was planning a "spectacular gesture that everyone would remember".

Now watch the conspiracy theorists claim that the doctor's note is forged and the girlfriend was paid off. Of course, since the Germans and the French are the ones coming up with all this information, it sure doesn't fit the conspiracy theorists claims at all.

This is looking open and shut now. Dude had serious mental issues, and they didn't get him out of the occupation fast enough.

Such "accident" has always an obvious origin, I mean, the mental illness was a huge and officilal reason not to allow him any flight in command.

About car safety I don't think that's really comparable with plane safety because you just need one plane crash for hundreds of deaths plus, for

this case, one man behind and hundreds of people with no control at all. That's an awfull fact putting some doubts in mind.

But I agree about car/plane accident rate, both awfull.