Ghana's president, in New York, says US is 'normalizing' the erasure of Black history UPDATE: UN recognizes slavery as humanity's gravest crime

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when one of your biggest/ most poplar Pan Africanist is calling Bullshyt - u know u done :ufdup:



They want to set up African Humanitarian committees they control to issue whatever compensation to those in need.

That has been the goal since 2025 and this resolution vote was part of that goal.

First: what is the NHRI?

African NHRIs first gathered in Yaoundé (Cameroon) in February 1996 and adopted the Yaoundé Declaration. This established a Coordinating Committee of African National Institutions for the promotion and protection of Human Rights tasked with assisting in the coordination of African NHRIs’ activities and enhancing their visibility.

Five years later (at the third conference of African NHRIs in Lomé, Togo) a permanent Secretariat of African NHRIs was established, with the South African Human Rights Commission mandated to host the secretariat for an initial three- year period.

In 2005, it was decided that the secretariat be moved to Kenya, to be hosted by the Kenyan National Commission on Human Rights. A constitution was developed and signed during the sixth conference of African NHRIs in Kigali, Rwanda in October 2007. This resulted in the formal creation of the Network of African National Human Rights Institutions (NANHRI) to replace the Coordinating Committee and the establishment of a permanent Secretariat in Nairobi, Kenya where NANHRI was registered on 30th October 2007 as a legal entity under Kenyan law.

The African Union wants reparations from all Western countries (this includes the USA), and they will redistribute funding through NHRI backed committees:

NHRIs should advocate for and facilitate the establishment of dedicated national reparations committees or task forces to systematically document injustices, build historical narratives, develop national reparations agendas, and coordinate reparations efforts domestically.

you can read more here,


they want to be the ones to divvy out any reparations which is why the President of Ghana was so vague regarding "who gets the reparations?" and "how much?"
 

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when one of your biggest/ most poplar Pan Africanist is calling Bullshyt - u know u done :ufdup:


Idk what a youtuber and their opinion amounts to here
They want to set up African Humanitarian committees they control to issue whatever compensation to those in need.

That has been the goal since 2025 and this resolution vote was part of that goal.

First: what is the NHRI?



The African Union wants reparations from all Western countries (this includes the USA), and they will redistribute funding through NHRI backed committees:



you can read more here,


they want to be the ones to divvy out any reparations which is why the President of Ghana was so vague regarding "who gets the reparations?" and "how much?"
So I take it you find the US voting against citing slavery as the gravest act in humanity is a good thing? I have my own ideas on why the votwme was No, but what do you think it was? Are they looking out for specificity?
 

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I will leave this here.


"In fact, for almost 150 years, Ghana, on Africa’s west coast, was the center of the British slave trade. Western traders arrived in ships loaded with manufactured goods to barter or trade for slaves. Those who were sold had often been captured in tribal warfare; some had simply been kidnapped to sell to European slave traders."


"But many rulers of West African empires, such as the Ashanti kingdom, whose descendants still live in this part of modern-day Ghana, also profited, selling captured slaves in exchange for guns, cloth, alcohol and other Western manufactured goods.

"Our elders exchanged their children for 'nice things' like matchboxes," Agyei says."


"They named the area the Gold Coast. There was already a domestic slave trade when they arrived, Amarteifio said, although slavery didn’t mean what it came to mean in America. Enslaved people had some rights and opportunities.

Still, “The system already existed,” Amarteifio said. “The Europeans saw it. And thought: ‘Ah, we can try these people in our lands in the New World.’”



So I personally do not think the descendents of the sellers should have any say over any discussion about reparations for the descendents of those who were sold. I don't see a foreign leader from the continent trying to speak on our behalf as it pertains to reparations, along with the desire to administer the fund if one was created, as a benefit for us.
 

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Idk what a youtuber and their opinion amounts to here

So I take it you find the US voting against citing slavery as the gravest act in humanity is a good thing? I have my own ideas on why the votwme was No, but what do you think it was? Are they looking out for specificity?

The US:

In addition, Dan Negrea said the US objected to the "cynical usage of historical wrongs as a leverage point to reallocate modern resources to people and nations who are distantly related to the historical victims".
and,
As well as the "legal problems" around reparations, the US ambassador said the resolution was unclear as "to whom the recipients of 'reparatory justice' would be".

 

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Idk what a youtuber and their opinion amounts to here

So I take it you find the US voting against citing slavery as the gravest act in humanity is a good thing? I have my own ideas on why the votwme was No, but what do you think it was? Are they looking out for specificity?
I say they are two different issues. The US voted against and most of Europe abstained, because they do not want to pay out. They do not want to be on record, for legal purposes, admitting to the crime.

What Ghana and them are doing is seeking to control the money, if it is disbursed. They want to say who will and who will not receive the reparations, because control over the money is power.

I personally do not desire having a foreign agent in charge of any reparations arguments concering my own people. This feeling is magnified when the very ones seeking control over it, are also the very descendents of those who participated in the slave-trade for their own gain. They can fight for their own reparations they feel they are owed, but I would prefer their fight separate from ours. Conflating them together leaves it open to the simple argument by the West that they were willing participants too.
 

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So it's official

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The most Racist Nations on the face of the earth.


Also interesting that the *Asanti (the Original Ghana was what we know today Mali) are spearheading these talks despite having historically had the largest African involvement as traders and middle men for the Portuguese, English and Dutch 👀
 

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You understand this is at the UN, correct? And as a result, this wasn't some declaration of Ghana saying "we want you to give us reparations for American slavery", right? Ghana simply lead the resolution and the subject is the transatlantic slave trade from here to Barbados, to Belize, and Beyond. I don't know of any formal position for FBA, but also you realize the ADOS org has zero interest in broaching the UN correct?

I recall people saying "If you're from Jamaica, your beef's with England. If you're from Haiti, your beef is with France." etc... is the UN not the stage for that? Is it Ghana's fault that the UN is in NYC?
I will leave this here.



"In fact, for almost 150 years, Ghana, on Africa’s west coast, was the center of the British slave trade. Western traders arrived in ships loaded with manufactured goods to barter or trade for slaves. Those who were sold had often been captured in tribal warfare; some had simply been kidnapped to sell to European slave traders."



"But many rulers of West African empires, such as the Ashanti kingdom, whose descendants still live in this part of modern-day Ghana, also profited, selling captured slaves in exchange for guns, cloth, alcohol and other Western manufactured goods.

"Our elders exchanged their children for 'nice things' like matchboxes," Agyei says."



"They named the area the Gold Coast. There was already a domestic slave trade when they arrived, Amarteifio said, although slavery didn’t mean what it came to mean in America. Enslaved people had some rights and opportunities.

Still, “The system already existed,” Amarteifio said. “The Europeans saw it. And thought: ‘Ah, we can try these people in our lands in the New World.’”



So I personally do not think the descendents of the sellers should have any say over any discussion about reparations for the descendents of those who were sold. I don't see a foreign leader from the continent trying to speak on our behalf as it pertains to reparations, along with the desire to administer the fund if one was created, as a benefit for us.
 

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You understand this is at the UN, correct? And as a result, this wasn't some declaration of Ghana saying "we want you to give us reparations for American slavery", right? Ghana simply lead the resolution and the subject is the transatlantic slave trade from here to Barbados, to Belize, and Beyond. I don't know of any formal position for FBA, but also you realize the ADOS org has zero interest in broaching the UN correct?

I recall people saying "If you're from Jamaica, your beef's with England. If you're from Haiti, your beef is with France." etc... is the UN not the stage for that? Is it Ghana's fault that the UN is in NYC?
Yes, I understand that. I also understand that was not the only part of this thread either. The other part was the Ghanian president over here talking about reparations. So if they had just kept it about their own grievances with the Western powers, than I would not have a problem with it. Them trying to drag us into it is where I do have a problem.

Edit: So they can fight for what they feel they are owed, but I do not want them attempting to speak on our behalf. Keep the claims separate.
 

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You understand this is at the UN, correct? And as a result, this wasn't some declaration of Ghana saying "we want you to give us reparations for American slavery", right? Ghana simply lead the resolution and the subject is the transatlantic slave trade from here to Barbados, to Belize, and Beyond. I don't know of any formal position for FBA, but also you realize the ADOS org has zero interest in broaching the UN correct?

I recall people saying "If you're from Jamaica, your beef's with England. If you're from Haiti, your beef is with France." etc... is the UN not the stage for that? Is it Ghana's fault that the UN is in NYC?


its weakness and fecklessness in the face of white supremacy.


Look at those Persians in Iran, now at black folks here.


We have so far to go to even get to that state
 

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They key word is precedence. If word came back that the US AGREED that slavery was humanity's gravest sin then the floodgates would open on a correction to cleanse that sin. They voted no cause they don't want them problems. France surprisingly voted yes and if/when I catch word of it rearing its head their way, I'll be sure to share.

just so I'm clear, do yall think its GOOD we voted No??? Cause from my vantage point it seems like the US and The West at large just dodged accountability. You can make the "specificity" as granular as you like.
The US:


and,


I say they are two different issues. The US voted against and most of Europe abstained, because they do not want to pay out. They do not want to be on record, for legal purposes, admitting to the crime.

What Ghana and them are doing is seeking to control the money, if it is disbursed. They want to say who will and who will not receive the reparations, because control over the money is power.

I personally do not desire having a foreign agent in charge of any reparations arguments concering my own people. This feeling is magnified when the very ones seeking control over it, are also the very descendents of those who participated in the slave-trade for their own gain. They can fight for their own reparations they feel they are owed, but I would prefer their fight separate from ours. Conflating them together leaves it open to the simple argument by the West that they were willing participants too.
 

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They key word is precedent. If word came back that the US AGREED that slavery was humanity's gravest sin then the floodgates would open on a correction to cleanse that sin. They voted no cause they don't want them problems. France surprisingly voted yes and if/when I catch word of it rearing its head their way, I'll be sure to share.

just so I'm clear, do yall think its GOOD we voted No??? Cause from my vantage point it seems like the US and The West at large just dodged accountability. You can make the "specificity" as granular as you like.
Just to make it clear, did you read what I said about why the US voted no and why most of Europe abstained? I wonder, because it seems that you could not infer from my statement what I think about it, based on what I surmise their reasons are for voting against or not voting at all. So, I suggest you re-read my post again. If you still do not understand a second time through, I will then answer your question in a manner that hopefully makes it very clear to you my view.
 

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its weakness and fecklessness in the face of white supremacy.


Look at those Persians in Iran, now at black folks here.


We have so far to go to even get to that state

just some of your "greatest" hits:

Most American blacks are c00ns, what can I say :manny:

Blacks in America lost


They key word is precedent. If word came back that the US AGREED that slavery was humanity's gravest sin then the floodgates would open on a correction to cleanse that sin. They voted no cause they don't want them problems. France surprisingly voted yes and if/when I catch word of it rearing its head their way, I'll be sure to share.

just so I'm clear, do yall think its GOOD we voted No??? Cause from my vantage point it seems like the US and The West at large just dodged accountability. You can make the "specificity" as granular as you like.

We already have it on the books that the U.S. knows it owes the descendants of the killing fields of the now USA reparations. We already have everything we need. We don't need to tag along with Africa or the Caribbean.
 

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Just to make it clear, did you read what I said about why the US voted no and why most of Europe abstained? I wonder, because it seems that you could not infer from my statement what I think about it, based on what I surmise their reasons are for voting against or not voting at all. So, I suggest you re-read my post again. If you still do not understand a second time through, I will then answer your question in a manner that hopefully makes it very clear to you my view.
That was my personal intepretation of the US vote and abstains breh. I understand your interpretation but I'm trying to understand: Do you think its GOOD that the US voted No or not?
 
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