@Mowgli with the Fhillipians wife, question...
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Big Daddy
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"...after claiming to be a full blooded black man for years it was revealed Mephistopheles had an Indian father, and looked non black so he wrote a 10 page essay about privacy and the downfall of the Internet and dissappeared for a year.."
Mowglee doesn't seem like the type of poster to make something like this up.
MaxBundles
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I respect this but im curious about something you said so clarify for me please.
So youre married to a chiese woman but then you say you "don't believe black women should be dating out since they are unable to give black culture or pride in a relationship with a non black male". How do you figure this when youre not even with a black female? Also, you said you feel "black males should avoid dating interracial if possible and if they must avoiding white women at all costs" but once again youre not with a black female, and please dont tell me "interracial" dating is only between black and white people. Interracial dating is between any two races. So how can you feel strongly about one thing but do the complete opposite?
Big Daddy
Fight or die fighting, no surrender.
I think, THINK, that he sees it as such: The man in the relationship is who the wife and children will follow, regardless of that man's race. So if that man is white, then a Black woman will not be able to succesfully pass down adequate cultural exposure and knowledge to those offspring, because it is not the man in the relationship's culture..is what I think he means
But I feel you though, there's not a lot of 'ground' for him to stand on to give such an assessment and it begs the question, how did he come to it?
Also, you said you feel "black males should avoid dating interracial if possible and if they must avoiding white women at all costs" but once again youre not with a black female, and please dont tell me "interracial" dating is only between black and white people. Interracial dating is between any two races. So how can you feel strongly about one thing but do the complete opposite?
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
Did you not see the news article about Cape Verdeans requesting their own race category on the census because they don't like calling themselves black I linked?Then a link should be available, no?
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No guyanese man with an Indian father can talk about a Cape Verdean im sorry. You wouldnt be calling yourself black if your father had actually loved you.
“WE ARE NOT AFRICAN”: HOW MY GUYANESE FAMILY ERASED THEIR AFRICAN IDENTITY
February 26, 2014 ‐ By Lauren R.D. Fox
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“Because immigrants have always been particularly prone to repetition – it’s something to do with that experience of moving from West to East or East to West or from island to island. Even when you arrive, you’re still going back and forth; your children are going round and round. There’s no proper term for it – original sin seems too harsh; maybe original trauma would be better.” ― Zadie Smith, White Teeth
Growing up, I always struggled with my identity. My family looked black but I knew at a young age we were not like the neighboring families in our South Bronx neighborhood. For one, my mother spoke Creolese (Guyanese slang). And, most notably, while my schoolmates were able to indulge in Kool-Aid, I wasn’t allowed to drink it. Why? My parents thought the juice was poisonous because cult leader Jim Jones laced it with cyanide for the suicidal massacre that occurred in Jonestown, Guyana in 1978. They’re immigrants from the South American country.
// Updated Moguldom Tag
My father came to America in 1966 and my mother made her way to the U.S. in 1978; hence our history has always been rooted in a balancing act between our American and Caribbean identities. As my parents became more “Americanized,” others around me had to teach me about my background. In fact, I learned about my paternal ancestry through my Barbadian friends and their families, and my cousins taught me Creolese since my parents left that way of speaking behind. As a child, these experiences left me quite confused because I’m not completely American and I’m not completely Barbadian or Guyanese either. But as I learned more about my family’s lineage I found few of us have ever been completely one culture.
My parents came from the countryside of Guyana. My mother’s family is from West Coast Berbice and my father’s family is from West Coast Demerara. The majority of African slaves who emigrated from Barbados to Guyana lived in the county of Demerara where they worked on sugar crops. My paternal grandmother’s family is from Ireland and Barbados. My paternal grandfather is Scottish and Arawak. My maternal grandmother’s family is African, Portuguese and German, whereas her husband, my grandfather, is of Arawak descent. Because of these mixtures, throughout the years, there has been a source of repetition in both of my parents’ narratives of their ancestry. Like most Caribbeans, they are very informed on their European and Aborginal Indian ancestry. Yet, no one knows their African lineage.
My parents, of course, could’ve inquired about that part of their background from their African relatives, but being linked to blackness when my parents were growing up was a no-no. When in conversation with my relatives, I’ve gathered black identity was only used to distinguish themselves from East Indians, Arawak, Chinese or European people. Otherwise, it was not used as a source of pride until the American Black National Movement became popular in Guyana during the 1970s.
Relatives of mine who have established residency in North America and Great Britain agree, blackness has been a learned identity for them. The Guyanese people of my parents’ generation know they are not white but they also believe they are not African. This tiresome contradiction is the main reason why I’m tracing my African roots, because it would help me understand Guyanese traditions better. Through observance, I have noted Guyanese and other Caribbeans participate in traditions without knowing the history behind the causes. With the information I receive from Ancestry.com’sDNA test, I would be able to identify the African countries my family descended from and, with that information, better appreciate what my ancestors have incorporated into my family and Caribbean culture.
Isolated incident right?
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Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
The black side of my family isn't Guyanese, they're Bermudian, Hoegli.No guyanese man with an Indian father can talk about a Cape Verdean im sorry. You wouldnt be calling yourself black if your father had actually loved you.
“WE ARE NOT AFRICAN”: HOW MY GUYANESE FAMILY ERASED THEIR AFRICAN IDENTITY
February 26, 2014 ‐ By Lauren R.D. Fox
82 COMMENTS
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“Because immigrants have always been particularly prone to repetition – it’s something to do with that experience of moving from West to East or East to West or from island to island. Even when you arrive, you’re still going back and forth; your children are going round and round. There’s no proper term for it – original sin seems too harsh; maybe original trauma would be better.” ― Zadie Smith, White Teeth
Growing up, I always struggled with my identity. My family looked black but I knew at a young age we were not like the neighboring families in our South Bronx neighborhood. For one, my mother spoke Creolese (Guyanese slang). And, most notably, while my schoolmates were able to indulge in Kool-Aid, I wasn’t allowed to drink it. Why? My parents thought the juice was poisonous because cult leader Jim Jones laced it with cyanide for the suicidal massacre that occurred in Jonestown, Guyana in 1978. They’re immigrants from the South American country.
// Updated Moguldom Tag
My father came to America in 1966 and my mother made her way to the U.S. in 1978; hence our history has always been rooted in a balancing act between our American and Caribbean identities. As my parents became more “Americanized,” others around me had to teach me about my background. In fact, I learned about my paternal ancestry through my Barbadian friends and their families, and my cousins taught me Creolese since my parents left that way of speaking behind. As a child, these experiences left me quite confused because I’m not completely American and I’m not completely Barbadian or Guyanese either. But as I learned more about my family’s lineage I found few of us have ever been completely one culture.
My parents came from the countryside of Guyana. My mother’s family is from West Coast Berbice and my father’s family is from West Coast Demerara. The majority of African slaves who emigrated from Barbados to Guyana lived in the county of Demerara where they worked on sugar crops. My paternal grandmother’s family is from Ireland and Barbados. My paternal grandfather is Scottish and Arawak. My maternal grandmother’s family is African, Portuguese and German, whereas her husband, my grandfather, is of Arawak descent. Because of these mixtures, throughout the years, there has been a source of repetition in both of my parents’ narratives of their ancestry. Like most Caribbeans, they are very informed on their European and Aborginal Indian ancestry. Yet, no one knows their African lineage.
My parents, of course, could’ve inquired about that part of their background from their African relatives, but being linked to blackness when my parents were growing up was a no-no. When in conversation with my relatives, I’ve gathered black identity was only used to distinguish themselves from East Indians, Arawak, Chinese or European people. Otherwise, it was not used as a source of pride until the American Black National Movement became popular in Guyana during the 1970s.
Relatives of mine who have established residency in North America and Great Britain agree, blackness has been a learned identity for them. The Guyanese people of my parents’ generation know they are not white but they also believe they are not African. This tiresome contradiction is the main reason why I’m tracing my African roots, because it would help me understand Guyanese traditions better. Through observance, I have noted Guyanese and other Caribbeans participate in traditions without knowing the history behind the causes. With the information I receive from Ancestry.com’sDNA test, I would be able to identify the African countries my family descended from and, with that information, better appreciate what my ancestors have incorporated into my family and Caribbean culture.
I'm not talking about Cape Verdeans. I'm just dealing with facts only, and the facts are that Cape Verdeans for the most part do not consider themselves black, and get offended when people call themselves black, insomuch that they lobbied to get their own racial designation on government records.
You seem quite sensitive about these realities.
So Guyanese men with indian fathers and black mothers in Guyana largely consider themselves black huh?
Stop it, its disgusting.
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Everyone on sohh knows when this nikkas face got exposed he straight up went David Copperfield on nikkas"...after claiming to be a full blooded black man for years it was revealed Mephistopheles had an Indian father, and looked non black so he wrote a 10 page essay about privacy and the downfall of the Internet and dissappeared for a year.."
Luke Cage to
Victor Von Doom to
Mephitopheles
Everytime we see the nikkas face he makes up a new name. Hes ashamed of looking more Indian then black and i dont know why outside of the fact being black is so awesome
He sees my in laws every day, they love him and consider him black and chinese. Black first because they follow patriarch and have respect for me.
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
Mowgli is Cape Verdean, ask him. Cape Verdeans from Boston like Mowgli are generally ashamed of their heritage, and historically made efforts to deny their blackness and associated with white Roman Catholics while distancing themselves from blacks, even though they're considered black.You said that everything you said in that post was true adocumented..that includes - "@Mowgli is Cape Verdean. " -
I was acknowledging that you must have a link confirming it then, since everything you typed is true and documented.
Cape Verdeans were also middlemen in the trans-Atlantic slave trade, as Cape Verde was the largest slave trading hub, and they got favoritism by their European masters were facilitating the transfer of Africans into slavery.
There was a large thread about this in HL. I won't bring it up anymore though because I know how sensitive it makes Mowgli. He had a full-fledged breakdown and was literally begging the mods to delete the thread. He even tagged Cook and asked him to delete it. Liu Kang deleted a bunch of his pathetic groveling posts in the thread. I guess he felt sorry for them. Some are still there though...unless Mowgli went back and edited them.
"...after claiming to be a full blooded black man for years it was revealed Mephistopheles had an Indian father, and looked non black so he wrote a 10 page essay about privacy and the downfall of the Internet and dissappeared for a year.."
Known Mowgli for like 10+ years he ain't a list to me.
I respect this but im curious about something you said so clarify for me please.
So youre married to a chiese woman but then you say you "don't believe black women should be dating out since they are unable to give black culture or pride in a relationship with a non black male". How do you figure this when youre not even with a black female? Also, you said you feel "black males should avoid dating interracial if possible and if they must avoiding white women at all costs" but once again youre not with a black female, and please dont tell me "interracial" dating is only between black and white people. Interracial dating is between any two races. So how can you feel strongly about one thing but do the complete opposite?
A case of do as he says not what he does?
I think, THINK, that he sees it as such: The man in the relationship is who the wife and children will follow, regardless of that man's race. So if that man is white, then a Black woman will not be able to succesfully pass down adequate cultural exposure and knowledge to those offspring, because it is not the man in the relationship's culture..is what I think he means
But I feel you though, there's not a lot of 'ground' for him to stand on to give such an assessment and it begs the question, how did he come to it?
Sounds like a strong influence of Muslim teachings. Just like why muslim women can't marry a kafer, but men can
(Reality Posting)I respect this but im curious about something you said so clarify for me please.
So youre married to a chiese woman but then you say you "don't believe black women should be dating out since they are unable to give black culture or pride in a relationship with a non black male". How do you figure this when youre not even with a black female? Also, you said you feel "black males should avoid dating interracial if possible and if they must avoiding white women at all costs" but once again youre not with a black female, and please dont tell me "interracial" dating is only between black and white people. Interracial dating is between any two races. So how can you feel strongly about one thing but do the complete opposite?
I stated how i figured it in the post you quoted but let me get more granular for you.
I believe this is a very sensitive subject for alot of people because it stirs up so many emotions that makes people have circumstantial logic. I also believe because so many black men were raised by women and think like women some basic concepts shared by most men on earth escape them.
To put it simply, I dont believe everything that men do, women should do. Most men believe this but have their own preferences on what they feel both men and women should do. I dont believe women should be whores just because ive put the dikk to so many beautiful women. I wouldnt want to date a woman that had as many sexual partners as i have had. I wouldnt want my unborn daughter or son to experiment with the drugs ive tried. Sistas accept two men grunting together in dookie sheets more then a brotha with a non-black woman. I dont believe in do as i do. If i were a janitor, i would be disgusted if my child wanted to mop cac floors for a living but again, thats selective preferences. These are just MY beliefs.
That said, because of the power dynamics beween men and women, i believe black women are largely subject to the culture of the men they marry and have children with. I believe this is proven by the histories of the middle east, south america, and various islands around the world. Men take the women of another race/culture, and turn them into a variant of themselves, culturally and biologically and these groups of people work to the benefit of the culture of men that created them.
African women largely did not convert arabs to african culture. Indigenous Americans largely did not convert colonizers to their cultures. Black women in the phillipines did not convert asian men and spaniards to the culture of their islands but the children they created all worked for the glory of the fathers group. These men do not exchange women with the men whos lands they conquer. That would have changed everything. Instead, Its one way. This is why i believe that black women Especially, should avoid dating interracially and all efforts for them to do so should be hated on, spoiled, ruined and destroyed by black men. Ive done it in my family often and all the women in my family are with black men since only a black woman can birth what would be called a (pure) black man.. Its not fair, and i dont care.
I believe black people collectively should avoid serious interracial relationships because of extreme cultural differences and white supremacy which has created racism. These two factors lower the number of people available to both men and women for equally healthy relationships in my beliefs but overall, its easier for men to take women from other races/cultures because the nature of women is to Follow the lead of Men. If you choose the wrong woman/man you not only have external forces to deal with but forces within the family you've married into. If you have love for your people and want to see 1, 2 or all of your children take black wives/husbands you have to understand the odds of it not happening are higher. If thats something you care about.
For Black people, I believe serious interracial relationships are easiest for Black women who submit, black people that hate black people and black people that are patriarachal. In all cases there is no chance of the parents power struggling over how to raise the child culturally and the odds of everyone getting what they want are high.
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Im capeverdean black male.. I dont have anything to be ashamed of. This fakkit though wanna act like he dont like curry and worship elephants n sacred cows though.You said that everything you said in that post was true adocumented..that includes - "@Mowgli is Cape Verdean. " -
I was acknowledging that you must have a link confirming it then, since everything you typed is true and documented.