North of the border, Canada looks to deficit spending to jump start economy

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Trudeau's debut deficit will mark fiscal shift in Canada: Q&A

Trudeau's debut deficit will mark fiscal shift in Canada: Q&A

Theophilos Argitis, (c) 2016, Bloomberg(c) 2016, Bloomberg

For the first time in more than 30 years, Canada is getting back into the red willingly.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's newly elected Liberals will release a budget next month that doles out more money for infrastructure, family allowances and employment-insurance benefits, among other things, all financed unapologetically by borrowing. Finance Minister Bill Morneau will offer a better sense of the deficit's depth in a fiscal update Monday morning in Ottawa, ahead of testimony at parliamentary committee Tuesday.

While controversial given the country's recent record, the move in many ways is a return to the historical norm. How normal? Canada has run 110 deficits since it was formed in 1867, and in the 70 years since the end of World War II the federal government has run shortfalls 49 times.

Q: How large will Trudeau's deficits be?

Stephen Harper and his Conservative government made eliminating the deficit a priority regardless of the policy's drag on the economy and despite pressure from the U.S. to ease off.

Q: Why now?

A: Trudeau's argument goes something like this. Infrastructure is crumbling. Growth has stalled. Incomes for large swaths of the population have been stagnant while growing for the rich few, increasing inequality and weighing on growth. With interest rates at record lows, there's a historic opportunity to use the borrowing power of the federal government to enhance growth for years to come.

The Bank of Canada has also been touting the benefits of using fiscal policy at a time when borrowing costs are at near zero.

Q: When has Canada run deficits in the past?

1) During war. Canada's budget deficits rose to more than 20 percent of GDP in the 1940s, when the country's federal debt surpassed GDP. Canada also ran up massive deficits during World War I, with its debt tripling during that conflict, and borrowed to finance its participation in the Korean War.

2) There is also a long history of using budgets as counter-cyclical policy, allowing deficits to grow during downturns and shrink in better times. There was one stretch between 1950 and 1970 -- under both Liberals and Conservatives -- when a practice of seeking to fine-tune the expansion with fiscal policy was convention, with budget balances ranging from surpluses totaling 1.5 percent of GDP to deficits of 2.5 percent. For example, former Liberal Prime Minister Lester Pearson introduced a popular income tax cut in 1965 as a stimulative measure only to reverse it one year later amid worries the economy was overheating.

3) When there are runaway shortfalls. In the 1970s and early 1980s, the counter-cyclical policy of the previous two decades turned into a perpetual effort to stimulate the economy, with both spending increases and tax cuts. Combined with weak growth, the increasing costs of Canada's nascent social security system and soaring interest rates, the country fell into a debt hole that took three decades to climb out from.

Q: Where does Trudeau's budget fit in?

A: Trudeau's debut will be a departure from the balanced-budget doctrine, even as his government remains reluctant to abandon fiscal rules altogether. Morneau still talks about balancing the budget "over time" and insists that at the very least he will reduce debt as a share of GDP.

The new prime minister has tried to distance himself from his father's economic record. His approach may be closest to the fiscal plans of Pearson in the 1960s with its emphasis on investment spending, industrial policy to grow the manufacturing sector (the ministry of industry was created in 1963) built around a narrative to boost long-term growth and productivity, and a commitment to more foreign aid and social programs.

Pearson did this even as he brought down the national debt as a share of GDP in every year he was in office (another Trudeau goal). He kept deficits small and raised taxes when needed.

Trudeau too is promising only a temporary deficit increase and has baked in some moderate tax increases to help minimize the borrowing.

Of course, the Pearson story doesn't exactly end well. The full costs of social programs Pearson created in the 1960s weren't felt until after he left office, replaced by Trudeau's father. Once the economic crisis hit in 1974, tax hikes weren't enough to cope with the new strains on revenue and expenditures, propelling the nation into a debt spiral.

Pearson offers both a model and a cautionary tale for Trudeau. Expanding states do well in times of growth; in bad times, not so well.

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Justin Trudeau backing away from four-year balanced budget promise
As a result of a weakening economy, the government’s upcoming 2016-17 budget plan will show a deficit larger than the Liberals’ promised $10-billion shortfall cap, Justin Trudeau said

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By: Andy Blatchford The Canadian Press

OTTAWA—Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is backing away from a campaign vow to balance the public books before the end of his government’s four-year mandate — a pledge that was central to the Liberal election platform.

As a result of a weakening economy, the government’s upcoming 2016-17 budget plan will show a deficit larger than the Liberals’ promised $10-billion shortfall cap, Trudeau told Montreal’s La Presse newspaper.

Just how big that deficit will be remains unclear.

If the economy continues to deteriorate, it will be difficult for the Liberals to live up to their pledge to balance the books in 2019-20, Trudeau said in the interview published Thursday.

Less than two months ago, Trudeau insisted that the Liberal plan to make good on that key balanced-budget promise was “very” cast in stone.

The doubts raised by Trudeau offer a glimpse of the fiscal pressure faced by the Finance Department as it crafts the government’s first federal budget, expected late next month.

“If we look at the growth projections for the next three or four years, it will be difficult (to return to balance),” Trudeau told La Presse.

“But everything we’re doing is aimed at creating economic growth. When predicting the level of growth four years in advance, governments often miss the target.”

Trudeau said the Liberal government still intends to fulfil its other, more flexible “fiscal anchor” — lowering the debt-to-GDP ratio in every year of its mandate.

By zeroing in on debt-to-GDP, economists say the Liberals could run annual deficits of up to $25 billion in the coming years and still push the ratio downwards, as long as the economy grows at a decent pace.

The Liberals have promised to run deficits in the coming years in order to be able to spend billions on projects like infrastructure, which they predict will create jobs and help revive the economy.

Along with infrastructure spending, the Liberals have also pointed to their other economy-boosting plans. They include cutting taxes for middle-income earners — offset in part by raising taxes on the highest earners — and revamping child benefits so they help more families.

Those measures, however, will lower revenues destined for the public treasury over the coming years.

At a news conference later Thursday, Trudeau dodged questions about whether his government would be able to balance the budget in four years.

“We continue to recognize that the Canadian economy is facing real challenges in terms of growth, in terms of jobs for the middle class,” Trudeau said after a meeting with UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon.

“Our entire framework is about turning around the low-growth rates that Canada has been facing. And we’ve seen, with falling oil prices, that there is a trajectory that continues to look difficult for Canada.”

Ottawa’s goal is to generate the kind of growth that will benefit not just the federal balance sheet, but the entire economy, he added.

During the fall election campaign, Trudeau promised to keep deficits below the $10-billion mark in 2016-17 and 2017-18 unless the economic situation got radically worse.

“Yes, we will go over $10 billion,” he told La Presse. “By how much? We are in the process of examining that.”

Conservative interim leader Rona Ambrose blamed “out-of-control Liberal spending” for breaking the $10-billion deficit promise.

“Unfortunately, it is today’s Canadian families — and generations to come — who will pay the price for Liberal mismanagement,” Ambrose said in a statement.
 

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Trudeau is still enjoying a honeymoon period after the election. I'm curious as to how the Tories will attack the deficit. The devil's in the details but I assume they (and the NDP) will harp upon their record of (nearly) reducing the budget deficit before they lost the election last October.

I'm of the opinion that Trudeau will not be able to balance the budget during his tenure of office and will hope that GDP growth will soften the below and the debt-to-GDP ratio.
 

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Trudeau is still enjoying a honeymoon period after the election. I'm curious as to how the Tories will attack the deficit. The devil's in the details but I assume they (and the NDP) will harp upon their record of (nearly) reducing the budget deficit before they lost the election last October.

I'm of the opinion that Trudeau will not be able to balance the budget during his tenure of office and will hope that GDP growth will soften the below and the debt-to-GDP ratio.

Yeah, that's probably the outcome
 

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The story in 20 years will be debates over austerity and how Canada ended up like Greece, Italy and Spain.

Once you start this extra spending in democracies it's really hard to peel it back.
 

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Trudeau is still enjoying a honeymoon period after the election. I'm curious as to how the Tories will attack the deficit. The devil's in the details but I assume they (and the NDP) will harp upon their record of (nearly) reducing the budget deficit before they lost the election last October.

I'm of the opinion that Trudeau will not be able to balance the budget during his tenure of office and will hope that GDP growth will soften the below and the debt-to-GDP ratio.
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Especially countries that nationalized and oil makes a good chunk of their gdp. Nigeria is literally broke right now

Surprised no one went after the Saudi's for this shyt.








Wouldn't take much.... for the oil prices to go back up :mjpls:
 
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