So was "Last Kiss Goodnight" recorded b4 or after Pac's death?

[EducatedBrothaFromTheBank]

how can two sides feud when one side really bust they gun and other side just made songs and never actually fought back or did anything in real life

hmmm, one is a Icon, the other 2 are snitches

 

[thewave]

bust their gun lol

when? jimmy hire people to bust their gun. he hasnt bust his gun against pac or 50. pac already popped 2 cops and he woulda popped them dudes in quad if his nikkas didnt drop to the floor. why u think he got shot, pac stayed strapped. he was a legal gun owner in california. more misinformation

ask E

 

[ucanthandlethetruth]

hmmm, one is a Icon, the other 2 are snitches

a icon who got bullets in him and did nothing but yell at the microphone lnstead of his actual shooters

 

[BlackMajik]

a icon who got bullets in him and did nothing but yell at the microphone lnstead of his actual shooters

U sure about that

 

[RAX 010]

its foul that they died....Pac might be alive tho

 

[Pazzy]

Sorry but in this case I'm going to believe what Pac said in regards to what happened. Pac never came across as the dude to disrespect women with some obscene shyt like that.

then less than 2 years later, he turns around and says a questionable line, possibly dry snitching on "hail mary", "mama told me never stop until i bust a nut".

 

[Big Skilly Films]

pac was charged and convicted of sexual abuse

forcibly touching the buttocks

NOT rape

misinformation about pac once again

like sexual abuse is ok ..."hey pac didnt rape her he just sexually abused her and focrcibly touched her buttocks thats it"...you pac stans are ridicoulous...

 

[STUFF]

Someone please fix the title of this thread that shyt is killing me

 

[Rapmastermind]

OK, Let me clear this up for you guys. There were 3 Versions of "Long Kiss Goodnight". Yes the title was taking from the film "Long Kiss Goodnight" staring Genna Davis and Samuel L Jackson. During the recording the song was actually called "Kiss your A$$ Goodnight" and changed cause Biggie loved the movie so much. The song is a Pac, Suge and Death Row subliminal diss.

Version 1: Reply to Hit Em up - This is the infamous version rumored to have been destroyed by Puffy after he heard it. Lil Cease confirms this was an all out Pac Diss, names called. This version was scrapped after Tupac passed. Puffy denies this version even though he knew it was a Pac diss and kept most sublminals in the song.

Version 2: This is the Raw Version with RZA and Capadonna talking sh!t in the background with Biggie. It's a strip down version that doesn't have Puffy in it. This was recorded after Pac's death and the song then turned to a subliminal. At the end of the record Biggie says:

"I Tried to be on some humble sh!t but now it's time to toot my horn, toot, toot, motherf*ucker I'm the nicest n!gga in the game it's time to face motherf*ckin facts. On the Lyrics side, See me, Wordplay, See Me, Fist Fights, See me N!gga. The only reason I ain't naming no names, cause I don't want to give you B!tcha$$ n!ggas a chance to sell some units"

Version 3: This is the LP version that everyone heard. Puff replaces RZA and Capadonna and talk sh!t on the record instead of them. But the song is still a subliminal.


Also the song itself didn't come out until Biggie passed. He did perform a verse during one of his last freestyle over the "Hell on Earth" beat but at the time nobody knew what it was from. Also Biggie recorded LAD from 95-early 97 so that was during the entire Pac Beef. Why would Biggie respond to "Hit em Up" quick? You dudes acting like Biggie should drop a Diss to Pac on a mixtape. Pac did a video and released "Hit em up" on a single so he made dough off it. Biggie was going to do the same, his response was going to be on "LAD" which was originally suppose to come out Holloween 96 but was pushed back due to his car accident. As someone mentioned, NaS took 4 months to repond to "Ether", not cause he was scared but cause he wanted it on an album. LOL @ you dudes thinking Biggie wasn't going cake off his diss. He wasn't scared of Pac, he was more annoyed that Pac choose to target him knowing damn well he knew who was involved his his shooting.

Biggie and Puff weren't saints and they made mistakes in the beef (Like reworking "Who shot Ya" and releasing it while Pac was in jail was wrong even though the song was recorded before Pac was shot) but Pac overracted going after them. He should of went after Henchmen from the beginning. To Pac's credit he finally did say something on what was at 1st going to be a mixtape "Makaveli" about it but that was after the fact. Biggie as well as Stretch tried to warn Pac about the people he was rolling with but he choose not to listen. So when Pac said, "Biggie could of warn me I was about to get my head blown off" he was trying to imply Big knew when he was going to get shot when that's not the case. What Big did know is the cats Pac was rolling with had ties to Jimmy and that Pac shouldn't mess with them. So as for "Oh he waited till Pac died to say something". This is false, Biggie was hitting Pac with several subliminals at the time. But most rap fans couldn't read between the lines. Biggie only mentioned Pac's name on record 2 times:

"Gotta go Coolio, meaning it's getting too hot, if Faye had twins they probably be two Pac's, get it 2 Pac" (Brooklyn's Finest) - This line some say Big was dissing himself but he was more letting Pac know his talk about his Faith didn't affect him.

"Flip it, Stick it, Rub it down, do me baby I ain't down, My name ain't 2 Pac I don't Get Around, You Hitting us N!gga how that sound (Can I get wit ya) - This wasn't a diss as much as a reference but there was a subliminal in there as he makes a slick reference to "Hit em up".


So for dudes crying about "Long Kiss", Pac dissed Biggie countless times, mentioned his name in several interviews. Disrespected his Wife, Boss and Label and Big wasn't allowed to say Anything? Pac was lucky Biggie respected him enough to only subliminally get him. "LAD" was being recorded all through the beef but out of respect for Pac's death Big kept it subliminal. So the answer to the thread is BOTH. The original concept and version of the song was recorded before Pac's death but changed after he died to make the song a "Beef/Subliminal" track with no names but if you read between the lines it was clearly about Pac.

 

[Rapmastermind]

Here's is my personal breakdown of the song:

"Long Kiss Goodnight" (Taking from the film of the same name)

[CHORUS]
TIME, TIME FOR YOU To DIE
AS I KISS--YOur--ASS--GOODNIGHT

I make your mouthpiece obese like Della Reese (Della Reese is a Legendary Black Actress who is overweight)
When I release, you loose teeth like Little Cease (Lil' Cease lost his front teeth in the car accident he caused with Biggie and Carlibaltimore
nikka please
Blood floods your dungarees (Pac was famous for wearing Dungarees jeans)
And that's just a half of my warpath
Laugh now cry later, I rhyme greater (Pac has a tatoo of a Laughing face and a crying face)
than the average player hater, and spectators
Buy my CD twice
They see me in the streets they be like you he nice
But that's on the low doe' (Biggie is talking about how he can make a Double CD just a good as Pac and that it would sell more [and it did] He was also saying that people on the West liked him on the low)
be the cats with no dough, tried to play me at my show
I pull out 4-4's, and go up in they clothes (This is more a diss to the underground rappers going at Big at the time)
Short-change nikkas
snort-cane nikkas
extortion came quicker
Bought the Range' nikka
You still tickle me
I used to be as strong as ripple, till Little Cease crippled me (Car Accident Reference again)
Now I play hard-like my girls nipples be
The games sour like like a pickle be
You all know the rules
Move from BK to New Jerus
Thinking 'bout, all the planes we flew
bytches, we ran through
Now the years new
I lay my game flat
I want my spot back, take two (Here he's saying that 97 is his year after 96 was Pac's. By saying "Take Two" it's a double meaning. He's telling Pac to take 2nd Place but it's also a movie referece cause a director does "Takes" during a scene. Pac was an actor so it was like Big telling him to have another take or "Try again")
Motherfukkers mad 'cause I blew, nikkas envious
Too many nikkas on my dikk, shyt's strenuous
When my men bust, you just move wit such stamina
Slugs missed you
I ain't mad at you (we ain't mad at you) (Biggie felt that Pac was actually jealous of his success and mad that he blew up very quickly. "We Ain't Mad A You" is a clear Pac reference to his Classic song of the same title. "Slugs Miss Ya" can be interpeted as Big eluding to the Quad Studio Shooting)
Blood rushing, concussions, ain't nothing
Catch cases, come out fronting
Smoking something (Pac had a lot of cases at the time, and that was the time he changed on Biggie was during all his cases.)
Sipping White Russians, bytch in the Benz bumping
I laced it wit the basic
6 TV's, a system, knocking Mase shyt, face it
We hard to hit
Guard your shyt, for I stick you, for your re-up
Wipe the "Pee" up
Mix shots, "woke your seed up" (This is eluding to the Quad Studio Shooting and rumors Pac shot his balls)
Go in the ashtray, spark the weed up
LONG KISS

[CHORUS X 2]

UH-I flaming gats, aiming at, these fukking...
Maniacs put my name in raps what part the (Pac played a crazy chacater in "Juice" thus Big calling him a "Maniac" or crazy. Also Pac mentioned Big in many of his rhymes and songs.)
Games is dat like they hustle backwards (Big is saying Pac is hustling backwards by mentioning him in his raps cause Pac was the Bigger artist so Big is saying, "Why are you mentioning me when you are suspose to be the Don? that's hustling backwards")
I smoke backwards, and Duchees
Ya can't touch me
Try to rush me
Slugs go, touchy-touchy
You're bleeding lovely, with you, spirit above me
or beneath me, your whole life you live sneaky
Now you rest eternally, sleepy, you burn when you creep me
Rest where the worms-n-the weak be
My nine flies, baptize, rap guys
With the holy ghost
I put holes in most, you hold your toast shakey
Slip-n-trying to break me
Look what you made me do, brains blue
My team in the Marine blew, six-coupe
Skiid it out, weeded out, clean it out
The block for distance is, given long kisses bytch (Sadly yes this whole rhyme refers to Pac's actual death, Big took the gloves off with those bars as he describes Pac's death from life to spirituality, kinda creepy)

[CHORUS X 2]

Frank White the menacing, craw-craw's demenacin
I got the lettuce in
You turn green like cucumber skin got the new hummer in the summer when I was a new comer
then drugs and mac-10's
Hug from fake friends
Make ends they hate you, be broke girls won't date you (Once again Big refers to Pac as being a hater of his success. He also responds to "Hit Em Up's" famous "I begged bytches to fukk you" line as Big answers that his doe was low, of course he wasn't getting hoes like Pac.)
That's why I relate to, choke your ass 'til your face blue, make you
Open the safe too
No matter how you call it (how you call it)
This "bralick", alcoholic
Like his weed green'd out like his brick solid
Distribute to kids who, take heart like Valentine, drink Valentine, all the time
Slugs hit you chest tap the spine
Flat-line
Heard through the grapevine, you got fukked foe times
Damn that three to nine, fukked you up for real doe'
"Slink steal slow"
As you remorse we feel no (Again Big is refering to Pac's stay at Rikers and the rumors that he was in fact raped during his stay their. He's also eluding agian to his actual death)



Again he never said Pac's name so in the end it could all just be lyrics but read between the lines. This is a decdication to Pac that was 100% lyrical. Even more lyrical than "Who Shot Ya" which is a Lyrical Masterpiece.

 

[Prae]

like sexual abuse is ok ..."hey pac didnt rape her he just sexually abused her and focrcibly touched her buttocks thats it"...you pac stans are ridicoulous...

She didn't have a problem with her ass getting grabbed or sucking dikk on the dancefloor or having sex with Pac.

When I first met Tupac, he kissed me on my cheek and made small talk with me. After a while, I excused myself and started to walk to the dance floor. When I felt someone slide their hands into the back pocket of my jeans, I turned around, assuming it was my friend, but was shocked when I discovered it was Tupac. We danced for a while, and he touched my face and his body brushed mine.

Due to the small dance floor and the large number of people, we were shoved into a dark corner. Tupac pulled up his shirt, took my hand, traced it down his chest, and sat it on top of his erect penis. He then kissed me and pushed my head down on his penis, and in a brief three-second encounter, my lips touched the head of his penis. This happened so suddenly that once I realized what he was trying to do, I swiftly brought my head up. I must reiterate that I did not suck his penis on the dance floor. He pulled his shirt back down and asked me what I was doing later. I told him that I was going home because I had to go to work that day. Then, as people started surrounding him again, he grabbed my arm and said, "Let's get out of here, I'm tired of people stressing me." We exited Nell's, got into a white BMW, pulled up at the Parker Meridien, and went to his suite. We conversed, and he rolled up some blunts. We started kissing, and then we had oral and vaginal sexual intercourse several times.

 

[Big Skilly Films]

She didn't have a problem with her ass getting grabbed or sucking dikk on the dancefloor or having sex with Pac.

yeah lets blame it on the victim...

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Side note, here's Dilla talking about a joint that he produced for Biggie, Nas, and Busta that was a 2Pac diss. Although I'm pretty sure Biggie's verse ended up dropping anyways on Dangerous MCs produced by Nottz.

Dilla talks about it here around 2:45

 

[BlackMajik]

U know what. RZA talking shyt on that record is a bytch move too

When that nikka got jumped, I'm pretty sure Pac got his chain back and told him who was the people who did it

So RZA gonna be on a record that disses him is sum bytch ass shyt

 

[Prae]

yeah lets blame it on the victim...

As far as "forcibly touching the buttocks" - how is that even a real charge? The chick obviously was fooling around with Pac (and wasn't trying to hide it) and didn't have any issues with it, so how can he be convicted of something that she had no problem with? That above quote was at the club/after the club. The alleged sexual assault happened days after that.

I'm just under the impression that the sexual harassment had more to do with the people Pac was hanging out with rather than Pac himself. Hatian Jack and King Tut aren't exactly stand up guys.

And the whole thing was just suspect. 4 years in prison for touching a woman's ass? Hatian Jack and everyone else involved getting off scot-free? It also seemed like the court/prosecutors had ulterior motives in mind.

What happened on the night of the alleged rape?

We had a show to do in New Jersey at Club 88. This dude said, "I'll be there with a limo to pick you up at midnight." We went shopping, we got dressed up, we were all ready. Nigel was saying, "Why don't you give her a call?" So we were all sitting in the hotel, drinking. I'm waiting for the show, and Nigel's, like, "I called her. I mean, she called me, and she's on her way." But I wasn't thinking about her no second time. We were watching TV when the phone rings, and she's downstairs. Nigel gave Man-man, my manager, some money to pay for the cab, and I was, like, "Let that b*tch pay for her own cab." She came upstairs looking all nice, dressed all provocative and shyt, like she was ready for a prom date.

So we're all sitting there talking, and she's making me uncomfortable, because instead of sitting with Nigel and them, she's sitting on the arm of my chair. And Nigel and Trevor are looking at her like a chicken, like she's, like, food. It's a real uncomfortable situation. So I'm thinking, Okay, I'm going to take her to the room and get a massage. I'm thinking about being with her that night at Nell's. So we get in the room, I'm laying on my stomach, she's massaging my back. I turn around. She starts massaging my front. This lasted for about a half an hour. In between, we would stop and kiss each other. I'm thinking she's about to give me another blow job. But before she could do that, some ni**as came in, and I froze up more than she froze up. If she would have said anything, I would have said, "Hold on, let me finish." But I can't say nothing, because she's not saying nothing. How do I look saying, "Hold on"? That would be like I'm making her my girl.

So they came and they started touching her a**. They going, "Oooh, she's got a nice a**." Nigel isn't touching her, but I can hear his voice leading it, like, "Put her panties down, put her pantyhose down." I just got up and walked out the room.

When I went to the other suite, Man-man told me that Talibah, my publicist at the time, had been there for a while and was waiting in the bedroom of that suite. I went to see Talibah and we talked about what she had been doing during the day, then I went and laid down on the couch and went to sleep. When I woke up, Nigel was standing over me going, "Pac, Pac," and all the lights was on in both rooms. The whole mood had changed, you know what I'm saying? I felt like I was drugged. I didn't know how much time had passed. So when I woke up, it was, like, "You're going to the police, you're going to the police." Nigel walks out the room, comes back with the girl. Her clothes is on; ain't nothing tore. She just upset, crying hysterically. "Why you let them do this to me?" She's not making sense. "I came to see you. You let them do this to me." I'm, like, "I don't got time for this shyt right here. You got to chill out with that shyt. Stop yelling at me and looking at me all crazy." She said, "This not the last time you're going to hear from me," and slammed the door. And Nigel goes, "Don't worry about it, Pac, don't worry. I'll handle it. She just tripping." I asked him what happened, and he was, like, "Too many ni**as." You know, I ain't even tripping no more, you know? ni**as start going downstairs, but nobody was coming back upstairs. I'm sitting upstairs smoking weed, like, Where the f*ck is everybody at? Then I get a call from Talibah from the lobby saying, "The police is down here."

And that's what landed you in jail. But you're saying that you never did anything?

Never did nothing. Only thing I saw was all three of them in there and that ni**a talking about how fat her a** was. I got up, because the ni**a sounded sick. I don't know if she's with these ni**as, or if she's mad at me for not protecting her. But I know I feel ashamed-because I wanted to be accepted and because I didn't want no harm done to me-I didn't say nothing.

Tupac Shakur served 11 months in a maximum security prison before being granted bail, that's no walk in the park. He was also not in for rape, he was in for sexual assault which was the charge of "forcibly touching the buttocks with his hand without asking permission". So Tupac was sentenced to 1 and 1/2 to 4 years in prison for grabbing a womans bottom. He and two other men where accused of gang raping the woman at first, but Tupac and the Two other men had been found not guilty as there was no medical evidence of any penetration, scarring, or even DNA that it took place even though she supposedly went to the police straight after it happened. The Jury ruled that a gang rape couldn't possibly of taken place without leaving a single trace of evidence. They dismissed the charge and found all men including Shakur innocent. There was also another female eye witness in the hotel lobby that testified she heard the accuser arguing with Shakur accusing him of cheating on her, and that she was going to tell everyone he raped her.However a separate charge of groping the womans buttocks Tupac was found guilty as he openly admitted it - as he was in a prior relationship with the woman he argued that it wasn't inappropriate behaviour and an act of intimacy. However the law is the law and you can't touch someone, girlfriend or not, without permission even if the permission is implied. So the Jury ruled him guilty on that charge.

What nobody expected, including the Jury, was for Tupac to get such a harsh sentence after fighting for his life on a previous bogus rape charge that would have gotten him 20 years if convicted. The Judge sentenced him to 1 and a half to fours years in prison due to his previous but albeit minor convictions. He also sentenced him to a maximum security stay to make things even worse.

However the plot thickened and while 8 months in prison he was granted 1.5 million bail to await an appeal when it became suspect that the prosecution hid or lost evidence of a answering machine recording of the woman leaving a sexually explicit message on his answering machine, which directly contradicted her testimony on the second charge of the hand touching being inappropriate and out of the blue. Even though his appeal and bail was granted 8 months into his term, he had to spend another 3 months in prison because he was broke, all his money was gone into legal fees. He was bailed out on the 11th month by Suge Knight in exchange for a 3 CD record contract.

Amongst much police foul play, an officer admitted that police erased the woman’s request for more sex on Tupac’s hotel answering machine. Then, Tupac’s lawyer obtained Agnant’s long rap sheet for major charges that were all dismissed—a sure sign that Agnant did police intelligence work. A long-time police lawyer represented Agnant in court to defend him in the sodomy case, further confirming that Agnant was a police agent.