The Coli Where we rank Kyle Lowry over Jason Kidd.. Scust @malta

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

no, i don't.
if he went from single digits to 20, then that would fit..

How is averaging 11 points per game on low shooting %s for most of your career (seven seasons), to then improving and peaking at 22 points per game on high shooting %s, not a "meteoric rise"? Care to point out all the players who couldn't shoot/score for shyt for over half a decade, and then improve their offense to the point where they were averaging 20+ points on great efficiency?

Go ahead and list them.

i didn't say you did. but you omitted the middle seasons. that's why i said you were giving a false impression. nice try though.

You didn't read properly because you have an agenda against me and ended up making yourself look like a fool.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

the argument that Lowry can’t get to the finals cause bron, when he wouldn’t be a top 30 player in the league in any era

My mans, you've already proven you're not clued up on this topic enough to warrant a proper discussion. No need to waste your time or mine.

 

[surv2syn]

The Raptors are missing a true #1 option to go toe-to-toe with LeBron - Kidd was NEVER, ever a true #1 option. You do realize that if the Raptors didn't have to come up against the Cavs/LeBron, they already would've been to the Finals? What top-3 player OAT, in his prime did Kidd have to go through on his Finals trips in the early 00s EC?

Lebron led teams are the ONLY thing that has stopped the Raptors from getting to the finals, but then again, his teams have stopped anyone in the past 7 years. that Nets team? that was a terrible era. like I said, they were facing an over the hill Miller. had Miller been prime like against NYK, Indy wouldve stopped the Nets. Miller was still good but on the downside. Paul Pierce was the best player they faced and he didnt have much help at that time.

 

[Ineedmoney504]

Lebron led teams are the ONLY thing that has stopped the Raptors from getting to the finals, but then again, his teams have stopped anyone in the past 7 years. that Nets team? that was a terrible era. like I said, they were facing an over the hill Miller. had Miller been prime like against NYK, Indy wouldve stopped the Nets. Miller was still good but on the downside. Paul Pierce was the best player they faced and he didnt have much help at that time.

That makes it even worse. That nets team was terrible and wasn’t better than that Celtics team.

If marbury was on that nets team they never go to the finals. Kidd lead a trash team

 

[qashif]

How is averaging 11 points per game on low shooting %s for most of your career (seven seasons), to then improving and peaking at 22 points per game on high shooting %s, not a "meteoric rise"? Care to point out all the players who couldn't shoot/score for shyt for over half a decade, and then improve their offense to the point where they were averaging 20+ points on great efficiency?

Go ahead and list them.





You didn't read properly because you have an agenda against me and ended up making yourself look like a fool.

when he hit double-digits (13.5) in scoring, it took Lowry 6 seasons to hit 22 ppg.
again, that's a steady not meteoric rise.
his increase in ppg corresponds to an increase in shot attempts. he's been a consistent low 40s in FG% scorer his whole career.
in his peak, he shot at 46% ("great efficiency") . his avg in his first 7 is about 42%. in this season, 43%.

an agenda against you?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

when he hit double-digits (13.5) in scoring, it took Lowry 6 seasons to hit 22 ppg.
again, that's a steady not meteoric rise.

That's not a steady rise, it's a meteoric one (in NBA terms). A steady rise is the standard career-arc a player with star potential usually takes in the initial seasons of their career. Not someone who barely averaged double-digit scoring on low shooting percentages in the first seven seasons of their career - players don't just increase their offensive production by that much after being that long in the league. Furthermore, the fact you're arguing over semantics, and not understanding the context in which I made that point proves you don't even have a proper argument to begin with.

How are you gonna accuse me of giving a false impression, when you reply right back with "when he hit double-digits, it took him six seasons to hit 22 ppg"?

his increase in ppg corresponds to an increase in shot attempts. he's been a consistent low 40s in FG% scorer his whole career.
in his peak, he shot at 46% ("great efficiency") . his avg in his first 7 is about 42%. in this season, 43%.

It corresponds with an increase in shot attempts because of said rise, it's not an increase in shot attempts that naturally happens as a player gets better (which is usually in the first 2-3 seasons of a player's career, not after they've been in the league nearly a decade). Instead of looking strictly at FG%, look at efficiency, because it doesn't take into account 3-PT value. First sevens seasons he averaged 11 ppg on 54 TS%, and then he peaked at 22 ppg on 62 TS%.

 

[nyknick]

Imagine Kidd having to deal with today's starters George Hill and Van Fleet And it would only get tougher having to deal with back ups like TJ McConnel and Shane Larkin

Kidd wouldn't be able to catch a break in 2018.

edit:
Jose Calderon in the cut

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Imagine Kidd having to deal with today's starters George Hill and Van Fleet And it would only get tougher having to deal with back ups like TJ McConnel and Shane Larkin

Kidd wouldn't be able to catch a break in 2018.

Funny you should say that since Kidd struggled to score against worse defenders

 

[ISO]

Imagine Kidd having to deal with today's starters George Hill and Van Fleet And it would only get tougher having to deal with back ups like TJ McConnel and Shane Larkin

Kidd wouldn't be able to catch a break in 2018.

edit:
Jose Calderon in the cut

Hill, Van Vleet, and McConnell are actually good defenders.

 

[Street Knowledge]

I remember them adding Vince Carter and still being terrible on offense

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Blog Boys still don’t get the concept of point guards that can dominate the game without scoring.

I bet Curry understands after Playoff Rondo put him on the wrong side of history tonight.

How did your PG who can dominate the game without scoring do tonight?

 

[DrexlersFade]

LOL at Rondo dominating anything over than the ball.

he is playing better than Lowry

 

[Osmosis]

George Hill and even Van Vleet are better than many of the PGs Kidd was matched up against.

 

[Goatpoacher]

Gil is to Lowry as Sean hannity is to trump

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

he is playing better than Lowry

Do better, breh.