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Cenk Uygur, Dean Phillips, Marianne Williamson doing a debate on NewsNation.



None of them have a shot of winning.

But this is the way the primaries should be. So on principle, I agree with what they're doing.
 

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His reasoning:

Online media personality Cenk Uygur is running for the Democratic nomination for president. But before that, he’s really running to run for president, not just for his own benefit but for the roughly 24 million naturalized citizens in the United States, who are shut out of the ability to serve their country in this capacity.

There is a hearing this morning before the U.S. district court in Columbia, South Carolina, based on a complaint Uygur filed that seeks an injunction against the decision to take his name off the ballot for the February 3 Democratic primary. The South Carolina Democratic Party rejected Uygur’s bid to make the primary ballot—without refunding him the $20,000 filing fee—based on a reading of Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution, which says that only “natural born citizens” are allowed to serve in the office of the presidency.

Uygur argues that the denial of his petition for placement on the ballot violates a separate part of the Constitution: Section 1 of the 14th Amendment, which states that “All persons born or naturalized in the United States” are citizens, and that “No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States … nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” In the reading of Uygur and his team, this overrides the Article II restriction on naturalized citizens to become president.

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Six states have let Uygur onto the ballot. Several others have rejected his attempt. The Federal Election Commission has allowed naturalized citizens to run for president since 2008, and indeed, Uygur is registered with them. “A naturalized citizen is not prohibited by the Federal Election Campaign Act (the Act) from becoming a ‘candidate’ as defined under the Act,” the ruling states.

Whether that candidate can serve is another matter. The South Carolina hearing will be the first step toward a legal ruling.

ACCORDING TO UYGUR, THE NATION ALREADY HAS. He cited a Supreme Court case from the 1960s, Schneider v. Rusk, which ruled that a naturalized citizen was illegally denied a U.S. passport on the premise that she lived in her former country for three years. The law enabling this, Justice William O. Douglas wrote, “proceeds on the impermissible assumption that naturalized citizens as a class are less reliable and bear less allegiance to this country than do the native born. This is an assumption that is impossible for us to make … It creates indeed a second-class citizenship.”

The case does briefly refer to the Article II restriction of the presidency to natural-born citizens, and many have made the case that the Court recognized that exception, which would forbid Uygur from the ballot. He doesn’t agree. “They did not address the issue. Some people say, ‘Because they didn’t address it they must like it.’ No, the entire argument is that you cannot discriminate.” In other words, keeping Uygur off the ballot, he claims, violates his constitutional rights.

A separate point Uygur made is that Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 bars discrimination, including on the basis of national origin, for anything requiring government funding (and federal elections would seem to count). “You might have to rule Title VI unconstitutional if you can discriminate against naturalized citizens,” Uygur says. “I think [the courts] would be loath to say that.”

Not everyone agrees with these interpretations. I asked Erwin Chemerinsky, dean of the UC Berkeley School of Law, what he made of Uygur’s arguments. “The natural born citizen provision is deeply offensive,” Chemerinsky writes in an email. “But section 1 of the 14th Amendment addresses something different: who is a citizen of the United States. I would like to see it as modifying the natural born citizen clause, but I am skeptical that a court will accept that.”

That’s the issue in the case: not an interpretation of Article II, which is clear, but whether the 14th Amendment overrides Article II, which is less clear.

The natural-born citizen issue only comes up in rare contexts. We primarily heard about it in recent years when conservatives, including Donald Trump, tried to claim Barack Obama was ineligible to serve because he was born in Kenya.

Few delve an inch deeper to try to come up with why this ban should be imposed. If the courts decide that naturalized citizens actually cannot be discriminated against, and that the 14th Amendment does modify Article II, it would not only be a victory for roughly 7 percent of the U.S. population. It would make very clear that the Constitution is not an unchangeable document, and that it can indeed by updated to fit our modern times.

We use kid gloves with the Constitution to a frightening degree, allowing many of its clauses that force unequal representation, the chance for a president to be elected without a majority of the votes, and other inequities to fester. “You can make an argument on behalf of the Constitution and say, ‘Look, they were looking to perfect the union,’” Uygur says. “But you can’t say that and say that we shouldn’t fix it. Do you believe in perfecting the union or don’t you?”
 

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cenk was passionate but he was LOUD...... maryanne williamson talked everyone's ears off... dean phillips seemed like the most reasonable and level headed person ...... and yeah i watched it.... it was pointless but semi entertaining.....
 
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