The Official Netflix Marvel's "Iron Fist" Thread

[Bryan Danielson]

Here are 20 Asian actors floating around Hollywood that they could have cast and I didn't even have to use Glenn from The Walking Dead:
Daniel Henney
Godfrey Gao
Ki Hong Lee
Ludi Lin
Dennis Oh
Michael Copon
Shawn Dou
Aaron Yoo
Christopher Sean
Leonardo Nam
Harry Shum Jr.
Booboo Stewart
Osric Chau
Brandon Soo Hoo
Christopher Larkin
Jake Choi
Abraham Lim
David Lim
Joe Seo
Jon Foo

And are you really trying to say that Finn Jones is some hot shyt actor who can stand besides Will Smith, Matt Damon, Brad Pitt etc and have his name above the title of a major motion picture? Because e barely was memorable on Game of Thrones despite spending all his time in scenes with Renly Baratheon so lets not act like Jones is some well spring of charisma and star power.

Ok GREAT. That is a start. I dont know any of those guys but I'm about to google each one and educate myself on them. Maybe check out some of their work.

Good look.

Martha

 

[Zero]

Funny no one gives a fukk about those two, people are just picking out Danny Rand just cause. It's fukkin' weird.

It's the new shiny Marvel/Netflix series so we have to pretend its a big deal now.

All this time Danny Rand been a cac and now it's an issue...ya'll gon have to pardon me if I don't buy it


Way it's looking though, they could cast an asian dude and the show would be mediocre regardless

I saw them later Dexter seasons, and this is the same showrunner? This will be the least of the show's problems...trust me

 

[Jello Biafra]

Na its not.... but I do think we could really help....

But honest, if social media and us didnt drive up the interest do you really think Chadwick wouldve landed that role? I'm not saying he would've cuz he's not talented and didnt deserve the role, but I look at it from a stand point as Marvel probably would stupidly just cast someone else fukking this up.

By the way.... just wanna say I appreciate the discussion man.... shyt like this is cool. Niccas think I wanna "troll" all the time but when cats wanna have like legit dialog and discussion I'm alway down for that. Both our convos are mad fascinating to me and I do like and appreciate your perspectives and response. Nothing but MAD RESPECT for you

(not even gonna say that word for this post cuz I respect the communication we're having)

Social media and fans aint have shyt to do with Chadwick Boseman getting the BP role. Boseman was one of 2 "Young It Black Actor of the Moment" at the time and pretty much any wishful casting of any black role of a certain age was getting cast with either Boseman or Michael B. Jordan and since MBJ had already been cast in that FF disaster it was a no brainer that Boseman was getting the BP role.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

The reason why it's such a big deal is the context in which Iron Fist is used and his origin. It's an out of date concept that is being highlighted because the spot light is put on his character due to this Netflix series. So with the spotlight being put on his origin, they could of mixed it up like they did with Elektra as you stated earlier.

Yes it is outdated but to act like it's a big deal when you have other characters similar who get 0 flack is just weird.
It seems Finn Jones is weak in this so it's just open season.

 

[Jello Biafra]

Except Danny Rand was never Asian he was always white just like Batman who learned his skills in a foreign country and Daredevil who learned martial arts from a white sensei. Funny no one gives a fukk about those two, people are just picking out Danny Rand just cause. It's fukkin' weird.
They cast Tilda Swindon and switched the country Dr. Strange got his powers so it would get released in China. It was strictly business and dictated by an Asian country's sensibilities.
And Marvel is not blind the Hulk is fukkin' Asian now in the comics. Elektra was changed to Asian instead of Greek and again no one cares for some odd reason. Danny Rand is just arbitrarily being picked out of the crowd.

YOu need to just stop with tryong to use Batman and Daredevil as cover.

Batman didn't go to an Asian hidden city of kung fu experts and become the greatest martial artist out of all of them.
Batman went to a remote temple and trained with a bunch of monks to learn specific skills and then took those skills home with him. But he also trained with pro boxers, pickpockets, assassins, world class thieves and anyone else he could learn valuable skills from. He never became "The Chosen One" at that monk's temple though
Stick just happened to be a white martial artist and blind Matt Murdock finding a white guy to teach him how to do martial arts in NYC is pretty normal. Stop acting like you aint ever heard of Tiger Schulman Karate School.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Its simple: "Batman" and "Daredevil" are not names given to someone who supposed to some Martial Arts chosen one, "Iron Fist" IS.
I didn't say make Danny Rand Asian, just create new Asian character to be Iron Fist. I didn't come up with what the Iron Fist represents in the comics, Marvel did, ironically the same year "Kung Fu" the tv series came out dealing with the same thing. Marvel changing the Ancient One to get release in China just means they believe they are too big to care or worry about this like i said...

Too big to care? They care about $, they make movies to make money not make some social statement. They changed Tibet to Nepal and the character"s ethnicity to ensure its release in China.
Dude, like you said it is completely made up just like Batman and Daredevil. He is only The martial artist when Daredevil is not around. lol Daredevil was the leader of The Hand in the comics not him. Can he kick Daredevil's ass?!

 

[Jello Biafra]

The Tilda complaint to me is kinda weird cuz one end I get the frustration and views of it being white washed.

But then in the same movie and with the arguably 3rd or 4th most important character in the movie, they switched a known white character to a black character and no one says shyt.

And I'm not trying to say I was mad at the switch and it shouldve stayed white. But I just think as a black person it kinda makes us look like we have faux rage and is counterproductive to our argument or case when we overexaggerate the anger of BS.

I would be more offended if they did another Malcolm X movie and casted Brad Pitt to play him. Hell I wasnt feeling what they did with that Michael Jackson movie. If Marvel decided to bring Blade into the MCU and then casted say Robbie Amell as Blade. Then yes.... I would feel some way about it.

When it comes to that, I think we need to pick and choose our battles better on what to rage against cuz when the wrong choice is made we look like hypocrites

Martha

The difference between The Ancient One and Mordo is that The Ancient One's race is a part of the core of the character while Mordo being black, white, Latino or Aborigine really isn't all that big a factor.
Also it matters more when a minority character is whitewashed, especially an Asian character, because there is such a lack of representation on that front.
Making one of a billion white characters black really isn't the same thing at all.

 

[Grand Eeezus Maxwell]

I'm only watching this shyt to tide me over until "The Punisher", so as long as it isn't 'AoS, pre-Winter Soldier tie-in'-bad I can live with it. I think these shows need to be cut to 6 eps/8 max, tbh.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

YOu need to just stop with tryong to use Batman and Daredevil as cover.

Batman didn't go to an Asian hidden city of kung fu experts and become the greatest martial artist out of all of them.
Batman went to a remote temple and trained with a bunch of monks to learn specific skills and then took those skills home with him. But he also trained with pro boxers, pickpockets, assassins, world class thieves and anyone else he could learn valuable skills from. He never became "The Chosen One" at that monk's temple though
Stick just happened to be a white martial artist and blind Matt Murdock finding a white guy to teach him how to do martial arts in NYC is pretty normal. Stop acting like you aint ever heard of Tiger Schulman Karate School.

Oh so there are monks who can beat Batman? Can Ra's? Just cause the title Ironfist says he's the best when he never actually is means what? Meanwhile Batman never loses and is actually the best in action not title makes it OK to keep him white?
Can Ironfist kick Daredevil's ass?

 

[Jello Biafra]

Yes it is outdated but to act like it's a big deal when you have other characters similar who get 0 flack is just weird.
It seems Finn Jones is weak in this so it's just open season.

I was never pleased with the casting. Finn Jones is like sentient mayonnaise.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

I was never pleased with the casting. Finn Jones is like sentient mayonnaise.

I only saw him in GoT and yes he was whateves. But advance word from critics is bad so yes, they should have probably went in a different direction. But sticking to the source material isn't some huge sin IMO.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

Here are 20 Asian actors floating around Hollywood that they could have cast and I didn't even have to use Glenn from The Walking Dead:
Daniel Henney
Godfrey Gao
Ki Hong Lee
Ludi Lin
Dennis Oh
Michael Copon
Shawn Dou
Aaron Yoo
Christopher Sean
Leonardo Nam
Harry Shum Jr.
Booboo Stewart
Osric Chau
Brandon Soo Hoo
Christopher Larkin
Jake Choi
Abraham Lim
David Lim
Joe Seo
Jon Foo

And are you really trying to say that Finn Jones is some hot shyt actor who can stand besides Will Smith, Matt Damon, Brad Pitt etc and have his name above the title of a major motion picture? Because e barely was memorable on Game of Thrones despite spending all his time in scenes with Renly Baratheon so lets not act like Jones is some well spring of charisma and star power.

And I am not mad that Iron Fist is white on this show. I just think Marvel should have been prepared for the negative backlash they were going to get and just cast an Asian dude to get in front of it. They basically committed an unforced error by not reading the temperature of the room on this one.

What I am mad about is that the white guy they picked is such a horrible actor though.

Christopher Sean for Iron Fist?

Leonardo Nam

Jon Foo

Might as well stick with what they got

The guys Bolded though... I can see the potential

But everyone else..... na

But nice list

Martha

 

[Optimus Prime]

Too big to care? They care about $, they make movies to make money not make some social statement. They changed Tibet to Nepal and the character"s ethnicity to ensure its release in China.
Dude, like you said it is completely made up just like Batman and Daredevil. He is only The martial artist when Daredevil is not around. lol Daredevil was the leader of The Hand in the comics not him. Can he kick Daredevil's ass?!

Sooo, that means Marvel believes that they are big and popular enough to whitewash a Asian character for money and not suffer too much backlash. You are not saying anything different.

Now its common knowledge that its fukked up, not in just Asian movies but any media where the plot is to send the White man into a different culture and that white man becoming the God or chosen one of that said culture. It was fine for Marvel to create Danny Rand back int he 70s when others were doing it. They did it with "American Ninja" in the 80s, Tom Cruise, "The Last Samurai" and with "Avatar". People are just not fine with this anymore so why didn't Marvel as smart as they are, given his origin, just make Iron Fist a new Asian character?

 

[Jello Biafra]

Oh so there are monks who can beat Batman? Can Ra's? Just cause the title Ironfist says he's the best when he never actually is means what? Meanwhile Batman never loses and is actually the best in action not title makes it OK to keep him white?
Can Ironfist kick Daredevil's ass?

There is a laundry list of people who can and have kicked Batman's ass in a straight up fight: Lady Shiva, Bronze Tiger, Richard Dragon, O-Sensei, Deathstroke, Jason Todd, I think Black Canary even beat him in a fair fight...fukking Rick Flag fought Batman to a draw! Batman isn't even listed as the best fighter by DC when they put out their official lists.

And the mantle of Iron Fist as well as the super powers that come with it can only be attained by defeating a magic dragon. And nobody in the secret city of K'un L'un had been able to do that for centuries until Danny Rand did it. THat makes him a "chosen one" archetype. I don't even onow what you are talking about with this "the best" stuff. Its about a white outsider coming into an Asian civilization and becoming the "Chosen one" with the Iron Fist story not being the best martial artist or whatever you are mistakenly assuming.

 

[Jello Biafra]

Christopher Sean for Iron Fist?

Leonardo Nam

Jon Foo

Might as well stick with what they got

The guys Bolded though... I can see the potential

But everyone else..... na

But nice list

Martha

Its not like they put much effort into the casting of the role anyway so just about anyone with a pulse would be better than Finn Jones.