Trump's isolationist foreign policy: Questions NATO and US Military Bases around the World

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Wow. Trump is sounding like Ron Paul on foreign policy! He is aiming to completely realign the foreign policy stance of the GOP. He's talking about scaling out of NATO and Asia. If Trump hasn't yet split the GOP into two completely distinct factions, this ought to complete the job.

Donald Trump outlined an unabashedly noninterventionist approach to world affairs Monday, telling The Washington Post's editorial board that he questions the need for the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, which has formed the backbone of Western security policies since the Cold War. The meeting at The Post covered a range of issues, including media libel laws, violence at his rallies, climate change, NATO and the U.S. presence in Asia.

Speaking ahead of a major address on foreign policy later Monday in front of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, Trump said he advocates an aggressive U.S. posture in the world with a light footprint. In spite of unrest abroad, especially in the Middle East, Trump said the United States must look inward and steer its resources toward rebuilding domestic infrastructure.

"I do think it’s a different world today, and I don’t think we should be nation-building anymore," Trump said. "I think it’s proven not to work, and we have a different country than we did then. We have $19 trillion in debt. We’re sitting, probably, on a bubble. And it’s a bubble that if it breaks, it’s going to be very nasty. I just think we have to rebuild our country."

He added: "I watched as we built schools in Iraq and they’re blown up. We build another one, we get blown up. We rebuild it three times and yet we can’t build a school in Brooklyn. We have no money for education because we can’t build in our own country. At what point do you say, 'Hey, we have to take care of ourselves?' So, I know the outer world exists and I’ll be very cognizant of that. But at the same time, our country is disintegrating, large sections of it, especially the inner cities."

For the first time, Trump also listed members of a team chaired by Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) that is counseling him on foreign affairs and helping to shape his policies: Keith Kellogg, Carter Page, George Papadopoulos, Walid Phares and Joseph E. Schmitz.

Trump praised George P. Shultz, who served as President Ronald Reagan's top diplomat, and was harshly critical of current secretary of state John F. Kerry. He questioned the United States’ continued involvement in NATO and, on the subject of Russia’s aggression in Ukraine, said America’s allies are "not doing anything."

"Ukraine is a country that affects us far less than it affects other countries in NATO, and yet we’re doing all of the lifting," Trump said. "They’re not doing anything. And I say: 'Why is it that Germany’s not dealing with NATO on Ukraine? Why is it that other countries that are in the vicinity of Ukraine, why aren’t they dealing? Why are we always the one that’s leading, potentially the third world war with Russia.' "

Trump said that U.S. involvement in NATO may need to be significantly diminished in the coming years, breaking with nearly seven decades of consensus in Washington. "We certainly can’t afford to do this anymore," Trump said, adding later, "NATO is costing us a fortune, and yes, we’re protecting Europe with NATO, but we’re spending a lot of money."

Trump sounded a similar note in discussing the U.S. presence in the Pacific. He questioned the value of massive military investments in Asia and wondered aloud whether the United States still was capable of being an effective peacekeeping force there.

“South Korea is very rich, great industrial country, and yet we’re not reimbursed fairly for what we do," Trump said. "We’re constantly sending our ships, sending our planes, doing our war games — we’re reimbursed a fraction of what this is all costing."

Trump questions need for NATO, outlines noninterventionist foreign policy
 

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Trump is smarter than he looks but he seems to be quite ignorant. Or he's just stroking up the nationalistic views.

The US cannot completely disengage and cannot stop being an empire, its what's keeping it alive.

If we disengage why do Japan, China, the Gulf Arabs and everyone else have to buy US treasury bills to keep the USA free credit card going on perpetually?

As soon as the plug is pulled, wouldn't the US sink into a depression that makes 1929 look like a day in a picnic?
The rest of the worlds economies will collapse too, as world trade stops.
China and Russia have become very strategic together to working on alternative financial and trade structure to weather the future storm and sanctions. It's why they were pushing so hard for the Iran Deal and why Iran may become a full member of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. But even 20 years from now the best they could do would be maybe 20% of current trade probably less.

Trump also says silly things like Japanese, South Koreans and Germans should pay more for the upkeep of the US troops stationed there.

The reality is that they do shoulder the burden, but making them pay for everything means risking exposing the imperial structure and the reality of those countries relationship with the US.
It would show the world and the citizens of these countries that they are a vassal and not truly independent, people might wake up and develop nationalistic feelings that will be anti-American and anti-empire.

This is why the Establishment has been telling Trump to let sleeping dogs lie..ignorance and apathy should be cultivated.
 

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Trump is smarter than he looks but he seems to be quite ignorant. Or he's just stroking up the nationalistic views.

The US cannot completely disengage and cannot stop being an empire, its what's keeping it alive.

If we disengage why do Japan, China, the Gulf Arabs and everyone else have to buy US treasury bills to keep the USA free credit card going on perpetually?

As soon as the plug is pulled, wouldn't the US sink into a depression that makes 1929 look like a day in a picnic?
The rest of the worlds economies will collapse too, as world trade stops.
China and Russia have become very strategic together to working on alternative financial and trade structure to weather the future storm and sanctions. It's why they were pushing so hard for the Iran Deal and why Iran may become a full member of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. But even 20 years from now the best they could do would be maybe 20% of current trade probably less.

Trump also says silly things like Japanese, South Koreans and Germans should pay more for the upkeep of the US troops stationed there.

The reality is that they do shoulder the burden, but making them pay for everything means risking exposing the imperial structure and the reality of those countries relationship with the US.
It would show the world and the citizens of these countries that they are a vassal and not truly independent, people might wake up and develop nationalistic feelings that will be anti-American and anti-empire.

This is why the Establishment has been telling Trump to let sleeping dogs lie..ignorance and apathy should be cultivated.
we dont know how hard it is to have tea and breakfast for $0.20 :mjcry: (Think and grow rich)
 

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Trumps ideals aren't grounded in reality. Openly torturing people, building the walls, this and the list goes on....

If we were to pullback from the world and NATO the world economy would undoubtably collapse.
If we stop supplying international aid to places around the world shyt would go off the rails.

It's not just the financial aspect, if America stops being the watchdog a lot more countries will have scores to settle.
 

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I agree with him on this, unfortunately, Trump doesn't have a consistent foreign policy and is easily and often misinformed by rumor and conspiracy theories, whether it's intentional or not.

It'd be terrifying to have him as commander in chief, as his positions are more about feelings than long term strategic goals.
 

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Closing bases and ceasing to nation build is a reduction regardless of how strong he plans to build the military :stopitslime:
:skip: It would cost more money to close the bases over the next ten years vs keep them opperational

I actually agree with Trumps proposal, but spare that "saves money bullshyt":upsetfavre:
 

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Trumps ideals aren't grounded in reality. Openly torturing people, building the walls, this and the list goes on....

If we were to pullback from the world and NATO the world economy would undoubtably collapse.
If we stop supplying international aid to places around the world shyt would go off the rails.

It's not just the financial aspect, if America stops being the watchdog a lot more countries will have scores to settle.
and your ideas are grounded in world empire and the military industrial complex :scusthov:
 

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Trump is smarter than he looks but he seems to be quite ignorant. Or he's just stroking up the nationalistic views.

The US cannot completely disengage and cannot stop being an empire, its what's keeping it alive.

If we disengage why do Japan, China, the Gulf Arabs and everyone else have to buy US treasury bills to keep the USA free credit card going on perpetually?

As soon as the plug is pulled, wouldn't the US sink into a depression that makes 1929 look like a day in a picnic?
The rest of the worlds economies will collapse too, as world trade stops.
China and Russia have become very strategic together to working on alternative financial and trade structure to weather the future storm and sanctions. It's why they were pushing so hard for the Iran Deal and why Iran may become a full member of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. But even 20 years from now the best they could do would be maybe 20% of current trade probably less.

Trump also says silly things like Japanese, South Koreans and Germans should pay more for the upkeep of the US troops stationed there.

The reality is that they do shoulder the burden, but making them pay for everything means risking exposing the imperial structure and the reality of those countries relationship with the US.
It would show the world and the citizens of these countries that they are a vassal and not truly independent, people might wake up and develop nationalistic feelings that will be anti-American and anti-empire.

This is why the Establishment has been telling Trump to let sleeping dogs lie..ignorance and apathy should be cultivated.
Trump changes his positions so often that he hardly knows what position he is going to take next. He talks about nation building and scaling down the military but then talks about 30 000 ground troops in Syria. There were people talking about how he supports single payer and can appeal to the left but he releases a health care plan that is a generic Republican plan. I am sure Japanese and Koreans can spend more to rearm and get China nervous or the Germans doing that to Europe (remember Thatcher and the French didn't even want reunification to happen). It sounds like he thinks the US can retreat from all these areas and still maintain influence on the world stage.
 
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