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Hopefully Venezuela signed off on the DNR enough is enough already.
Venezuela Reaches the Final Stage of Socialism: No Toilet Paper
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There's no such thing as socialism. Everything is capitalism because some people will always have more of something than someone else and they will always leverage that over the less fortunate. It's human nature. That's why socialism is a capitalist trick.
The first to rise above the masses are those responsible for distribution of goods to said masses, after the regime in charge, of course. Americans have no business espousing the virtues of socialism because in America, a worker can become an owner by becoming his own producer of goods. Unions are as close to socialism as we need to get; if people owned their own business they would understand this, but most of you don't. Start your own business and then have Ray The Janitor stand up and tell you that your employees need to be in charge.
Basically, socialism is for countries with a shytty education system. U kids sit here and talk sum socialism when u don't give a rat's ass about ur country or fellow man, which is a main goddamn component in that chickenshyt ideology. When u eliminate personal gain in favor of the "greater good", u have to have unbelievable suffering and tragedy for prolonged periods of time to galvanize the populace behind a politically feasible concept of said greater good. We are nowhere near that lvl and won't be as long as we keep shoveling bullshyt "greater good" ideologies to countries we either want to neutralize militarily or take advantage of economically.
The first to rise above the masses are those responsible for distribution of goods to said masses, after the regime in charge, of course. Americans have no business espousing the virtues of socialism because in America, a worker can become an owner by becoming his own producer of goods. Unions are as close to socialism as we need to get; if people owned their own business they would understand this, but most of you don't. Start your own business and then have Ray The Janitor stand up and tell you that your employees need to be in charge.
Basically, socialism is for countries with a shytty education system. U kids sit here and talk sum socialism when u don't give a rat's ass about ur country or fellow man, which is a main goddamn component in that chickenshyt ideology. When u eliminate personal gain in favor of the "greater good", u have to have unbelievable suffering and tragedy for prolonged periods of time to galvanize the populace behind a politically feasible concept of said greater good. We are nowhere near that lvl and won't be as long as we keep shoveling bullshyt "greater good" ideologies to countries we either want to neutralize militarily or take advantage of economically.
I don't get what's going on with Venezuela they just gave a Caribbean country $16m dollars to give to their laid off sugar workers (for work that ended in 2005)
and the can't feed their population. I'm calling corruption for their problems
and the can't feed their population. I'm calling corruption for their problems
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They aren't there yet, the transition can't happen overnight
But Im def curious as to how long you think it will take. You too @Swavy Karl Marx, when will Venezuelans move out of what seems like the inevitable economic stalemate and widespread rampant corruption that seems endemic to every socialist transition? When has the mass collection of private property and means of production ever resulted in anything that wasn't failure?
Any type of Venezuelan government would be suffering terribly from the decline of global oil prices right now. Add in endemic corruption, general incompetence, and the well known efforts by the U.S. government and other foreign entities to subvert and destroy the pink tide and Chavez in particular, it's not that deep.
And just to expand, the Venezuelan economy is left Keynesian, not Marxist or of a much more socialistic a character than the Scandinavian countries. The private sector actually controls a higher percentage of the economy now than when Chavez came to power.
I thought socialism could overcome all? How is it a viable solution if it requires a perfect country for its implementation?
Didn't read that second paragraph huh?
And it doesn't require a perfect country, it requires all countries. At least to get to communism
A Real Human Bean
and a real hero
Discussing socialism with people who know nothing of its history is futile.
As far as Venezuela goes, they've been having general economic problems that have little to do with the implementation of any socialist policies since Chavez was in office. The major issue has been lack of a successful development program. Venezuela has done little to develop industry and agriculture and the like, and they're suffering for it now. The smart oil-dependent countries stashed away money they derived from oil and put it into long term funds to be used for development and other things.
Also, if socialism is to blame for Venezuela having an economic crisis, is capitalism to blame for the trend in the last 40 or so years in which the regularity and severity of financial crises has been increasing?
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Broke Wave
The GOAT
Arguments against communism usually devolve into banal discussions about greed and human nature. Expect this one to be no different.
stateless, borderless societies?
Broke Wave
The GOAT
If anyone takes an objective look at the average ultilitarian value of socialism as practised in the 20th century, and capitalism, we can see that by far and away the benefits to humanity have come from socialism.
Free healthcare
Free education
Affordable housing
Food security
Those are the things that distinguish our societies from those in the past. Not technological or scientific advancements. Having a government for the people in a social context was primarily the purpose of the enlightenment and Americas founding as an extention.
Free healthcare
Free education
Affordable housing
Food security
Those are the things that distinguish our societies from those in the past. Not technological or scientific advancements. Having a government for the people in a social context was primarily the purpose of the enlightenment and Americas founding as an extention.
None of this has anything to do with industry or business matters.
I advocate for a mixed economy.
I DO NOT support shyt like @Swavy Karl Marx who suggests that you shouldn't/can't own your own PRIVATE means of production.
Speaking in absolutes isn't going to help you.
Absolutely, and utterly false.
The creativity found in this country is unparalleled. Even Putin admits it.
Advocate economic systems that don't account for the human condition brehs
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