Why Is Russia Sill Being DISCUSSED (6 Months After The Election)? THIS Is Why Trump Will Win In 2020

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No he started with repeal Obamacare. Eventually he got to repeal and replace. He did say he wouldn't touch social security but that shouldn't be on the table in the first place.


People didn't vote for a actual Dem platform though.
The people want cake,
and you trying to give them broccoli Joe.
Let them eat cake.:wow:

That's right.

TBH, they can win if done right. Most things Americans want are Progressive. I'm a Centre-Leftist (left on economics) and most people just want fair pay and decent healthcare coverage. Studies have been done on this. I'm still disgusted that Flint hasn't received its help. Also, I'm tired of our foreign policy. We have innocent people and our troops dying.

That's the big problem, brehs - most Americans DO essentially want some more progressive solutions (and they don't quite know it, either), but Americans of all stripes but especially repubs/conservatives can't get over "socialism aka evil, evil communism." This comes from irrational and historical propaganda about other political systems. The truth is we are a strong mix of capitalism and some socialist-like solutions already, but we tend far more towards capitalism. It's fine to be a mostly capitalistic society, but I think Americans would like just a bit more balance or just more effective social programs, but we just can't get past the effects of the propaganda.

Now that conservatism has taken root in the republican party (the Buckley conservatism revolution in the mid 1900s) we'll always have trouble adopting anything that uses federal money to help the people. Quite frankly, we might never get social programs because you have people convinced on a deep level that single payer or whatever government-funded program is equivalent to the holocaust or evil on Earth. What can you do with that level of emotion?

What is hilarious to me is that Obama was both very liberal and very conservative on a number of issues. That made him essentially a centrist. Progressives saw that as evil, but conservatives also saw that as evil. You guys ever go to a conservative subreddit or conservative websites? They HATE their own "moderate" republicans, or republicans who don't 100% tow the line they've been told is conservative or good. Sound familiar?

We either need to nationally recognize that centrists are fine or we're going to continue to suffer the tantrums of extremists who will convince moderates that centrists are evil.
 

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That's right.



That's the big problem, brehs - most Americans DO essentially want some more progressive solutions (and they don't quite know it, either), but Americans of all stripes but especially repubs/conservatives can't get over "socialism aka evil, evil communism." This comes from irrational and historical propaganda about other political systems. The truth is we are a strong mix of capitalism and some socialist-like solutions already, but we tend far more towards capitalism. It's fine to be a mostly capitalistic society, but I think Americans would like just a bit more balance or just more effective social programs, but we just can't get past the effects of the propaganda.

Now that conservatism has taken root in the republican party (the Buckley conservatism revolution in the mid 1900s) we'll always have trouble adopting anything that uses federal money to help the people. Quite frankly, we might never get social programs because you have people convinced on a deep level that single payer or whatever government-funded program is equivalent to the holocaust or evil on Earth. What can you do with that level of emotion?

What is hilarious to me is that Obama was both very liberal and very conservative on a number of issues. That made him essentially a centrist. Progressives saw that as evil, but conservatives also saw that as evil. You guys ever go to a conservative subreddit or conservative websites? They HATE their own "moderate" republicans, or republicans who don't 100% tow the line they've been told is conservative or good. Sound familiar?

We either need to nationally recognize that centrists are fine or we're going to continue to suffer the tantrums of extremists who will convince moderates that centrists are evil.
I'm actually am centrist more on social issues personally (except on racial issues). The problem is taking large donor money and not listening to the people. Centrism isn't the problem the issue is corporatism.
 

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I'm actually am centrist more on social issues personally (except on racial issues). The problem is taking large donor money and not listening to the people. Centrism isn't the problem the issue is corporatism.

In America, you'll never separate corporatism and politics. A full revolution would be the only way that would be achieved.
 

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In America, you'll never separate corporatism and politics. A full revolution would be the only way that would be achieved.
It can be done, but like you said it'll take a full revolution. I like Scandinavia's model (Sweden, Denmark, and Norway better). I try to be optimistic, but I know that we have to be pragmatic.
 

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i don't think anything Trump did with Russia caused voters to vote for him over Hillary.
Targeted disinformation and fake news through social media. Their methods were not direct but marketing and perception are extremely powerful during election time. The Russians clearly got their information from someone that knew American voting tendencies.

Not to mention the Hillary info. The coincidences are too high for me to believe. The probability that Jr/Kush/Manafort go into a meeting with various Russian operatives and come out with no info, then that exact night, Trump says he'll have interesting info on Hillary(emails) in a few days and no one knows where the info came from? Come on man.

Mueller requested the White House to save all records of that meeting recently because he already has what he needs and is waiting to see if they'll tell the truth or fukk up for the millionth time.
 

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Targeted disinformation and fake news through social media. Their methods were not direct but marketing and perception are extremely powerful during election time. The Russians clearly got their information from someone that knew American voting tendencies.

Not to mention the Hillary info. The coincidences are too high for me to believe. The probability that Jr/Kush/Manafort go into a meeting with various Russian operatives and come out with no info, then that exact night, Trump says he'll have interesting info on Hillary(emails) in a few days and no one knows where the info came from? Come on man.

Mueller requested the White House to save all records of that meeting recently because he already has what he needs and is waiting to see if they'll tell the truth or fukk up for the millionth time.
what disinformation and fake news, specifically?

there is no specificity in your post
 

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This whole russia shyt is just an extension of the new democratic political strategy which is just to shyt on any and everything right wing and republican

how many different ways can you say that your opposition is dumb, stupid, trying to kill us all, bring WW3 - before people start to get tired of hearing that shyt

people are trying to get to work, save some money, have some left over for retirement, not worry about terrorism etc etc...

i promise that as soon as they get some jimmy carter democrats back in the forefront, they'll start to win again :manny:
 
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