1 Guy In Here Doesn't Have 3 Classics

[Magic Mulatto]

Nikkas in here talkin’ all kinds of reckless

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

Yeah I said it, I remember when RD dropped and it wasn't hailed as a classic when it dropped, Jay Z went on a successful campaign during Vol 2 saying RD was a classic

well that's how classics are made hahaha. Classics are called classic albums the first week or first day they drop. They're loved throughout the years and revisited by fans and such. That's what makes a classic. When they're making documentaries and writing books about albums that people often sample repeatedly and quote bars from. A lot of classics aren't well received immediately. RTD didn't even sell 10k the first week(probably less than that really).

And RD being hailed as a classic had nothing to do with Jay Z saying it. It was out of print in the United States by 98. It was an album that everyone wanted but no one could get unless you were overseas(black cd art and black insert art). Def Jam reissued it in 99 and that's when people caught on. I never stopped listening to RD from 96. If you heard it, you knew it was hot. A classic album is loved thru different generations and decades and not forgotten about.

And music publications, critics's opinions mean shyt to me haha. Look at the shyt they pumping to the masses now. The fans don't know what they like. They weren't even paying KL any attention until Jimmy Iovine and Dre got behind him. And the "fans" don't even bump his older music like that on the regular. Whatever new he puts out, they take it in, and move on the next. Who do you think they're making these iphones with limited storage for? The 160gb ipod was for MY generation. We listen to our old shyt. These kids today buy an album in january and by febrary they've erased it from their phone and replaced it with the latest hits

 

[DMZ]

When RD dropped nobody from fans to hip hop publications, music critics called it a classic

When GKMC, TPAB, Damn dropped fans, hip hop publications and music critics deemed it a classic, that's the difference

RD is still better than any Kdot album straight up fukk the hype and marketing. People coming around to RD later doesnt change that

 

[Newportbox]

None of them got 3 classics.

This is the correct answer.

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

RD is still better than any Kdot album straight up fukk the hype and marketing. People coming around to RD later doesnt change that

Taht dude straight up works for interscope. There is no other way to explain his bullshyt. There is nothing about any KL release that's better in production or LYRICS than RD. Absolutely nothing. Crackers gonna forget about KL and find them another in a few years. They always do. And interscope will pay waterproof to promote another artsts on black websties

 

[Waterproof]

RD is still better than any Kdot album straight up fukk the hype and marketing. People coming around to RD later doesnt change that

You silly nikkas is pathetic, every damn album that is release is marketed to the masses, wtf you on...

You telling me Nas, Jay Z, Biggie, 2pac albums didn't have hype or was marketed before they dropped.

That's the job of the record company, you nikkaz are goofy

 

[DMZ]

You silly nikkas is pathetic, every damn album that is release is marketed to the masses, wtf you on...

You telling me Nas, Jay Z, Biggie, 2pac albums didn't have hype or was marketed before they dropped.

That's the job of the record company, you nikkaz are goofy

that's not what i'm saying, of course their albums were marketed, but why should we care about the hype and marketing when judging classics?

what matters first and foremost is the music: production, lyrics, musicality, replay value. and RD beats out any Kdot album on all fronts

 

[KravenMorehead™]

And only one of them doesn't have any quotables...

oh shyt

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

You silly nikkas is pathetic, every damn album that is release is marketed to the masses, wtf you on...

You telling me Nas, Jay Z, Biggie, 2pac albums didn't have hype or was marketed before they dropped.

That's the job of the record company, you nikkaz are goofy

Kl is marketed on the grammys, ama, rolling stone, Apple commercial ads, etc. When RD and Illmatic dropped, they had 1 page ads in the source. Hp hop had 2 categories at the most in the grammys and hip hop wasn't mainstream. I don't know why u be fronting like you were born in the 70s but don't remember this shyt.

And for the last time, STREAMING COUNTS TOWARDS SALES. Labels give off the impression their artists are seling records(when no one is really) to keep their star power alive. Can you imagine if streaming was around in the 90s when Wu had fans from here to China and Japan???? they would have "sales" of 14-18 million albums "sold"

 

[Waterproof]

that's not what i'm saying, of course their albums were marketed, but why should we care about the hype and marketing when judging classics?

what matters first and foremost is the music: production, lyrics, musicality, replay value. and RD beats out any Kdot album on all fronts

You can get mad all you want when RD dropped it was just another album it wasn't in the class of OB4CL, Ready To Die, Illmatic or IWW, these are facts

 

[KravenMorehead™]

this nikka is so disrespectful :wwowjb:

yooooooo

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

You can get mad all you want when RD dropped it was just another album it wasn't in the class of OB4CL, Ready To Die, Illmatic or IWW, these are facts

RTD wasn't a classic when it dropped either. Sold less than 10k the first week. People didn't catch on until the One more Chance remix in March of 95(6 months after release) . Lots of people went out and bought it not knowing the One more chance on the album wasn't the single version and still had to buy the maxi single anyway. Initially Biggie had sold about 1 million. That ONE MORE Chance single pushed him to 3

 

[Waterproof]

Kl is marketed on the grammys, ama, rolling stone, Apple commercial ads, etc. When RD and Illmatic dropped, they had 1 page ads in the source. Hp hop had 2 categories at the most in the grammys and hip hop wasn't mainstream. I don't know why u be fronting like you were born in the 70s but don't remember this shyt.

And for the last time, STREAMING COUNTS TOWARDS SALES. Labels give off the impression their artists are seling records(when no one is really) to keep their star power alive. Can you imagine if streaming was around in the 90s when Wu had fans from here to China and Japan???? they would have "sales" of 14-18 million albums "sold"

nikka Illmatic was hyped the fukk up before it even dropped, they was calling him the 2nd Coming.

All you new nikkas bytch about technology, that's straight p*ssy shyt, you don't see old heads from the 70's bytch about the technology the 80's artist have over them, you don't hear 80's artist bytch about the technological advantages 90's artist have over them. Only internet nikkas bytch about that

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

nikka Illmatic was hyped the fukk up before it even dropped, they was calling him the 2nd Coming.

All you new nikkas bytch about technology, that's straight p*ssy shyt, you don't see old heads from the 70's bytch about the technology the 80's artist have over them, you don't hear 80's artist bytch about the technological advantages 90's artist have over them. Only internet nikkas bytch about that

Illmatic was not hyped in the mainstram. Only to hip hop fans on Yo, Rap City, in the source and a few other publications. You did not hear Nas songs on fukking Apple commercials in 93 and 94. You did not see Nas on the fukking Grammys and AMAs in 94. You did not see Nas on the cover of Rollin Stone in fukking 94. Illmatic was repleased in April of 94 and didn't get reviewed until the end of the fukking summer in 94 by Rolling Stone. If anything I said is false, please point it out. Kendrick's push is mostly by whites spearheaded by Jimmy Iovine's campaign at Interscope. So he's signed to a dude that's signed to a dude that's signed to jimmy iovine.

 

[Waterproof]

Illmatic was not hyped in the mainstram. Only to hip hop fans on Yo, Rap City, in the source and a few other publications. You did not hear Nas songs on fukking Apple commercials in 93 and 94. You did not see Nas on the fukking Grammys and AMAs in 94. You did not see Nas on the cover of Rollin Stone in fukking 94. Illmatic was repleased in April of 94 and didn't get reviewed until the end of the fukking summer in 94 by Rolling Stone. If anything I said is false, please point it out. Kendrick's push is mostly by whites spearheaded by Jimmy Iovine's campaign at Interscope. So he's signed to a dude that's signed to a dude that's signed to jimmy iovine.

What the fukk music on Apple commercials got to do with anything. Hip Hop is the top music genre in the world, there was a time that when only rock and country music was getting placement on major brands. That's a win for hip hop, hip hop sells and they tapping into it.

Hip Hop fans always dictate what's hot, who's hot in the street and companies follow suit.

Where's this bytching when Arista was pushing Biggie and Bad boy, where was this bytching when Island Music Group was pushing Jay Z, or when Columbia was pushing Nas with IWW.

Cohen pushed the button on Jay Z, Clive Davis pushed the button on Bad Boy

Y'all need to stop the bullshyt, because you have no legs to stand on