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It's not even about that, it's about taking shots at him the moment he has a subpar game. I just hate the whole build up and break down this board does with players. :manny:

Yes, THAT is a stupid problem.


Lebron's clearly been one of the best in the league since 2006 at least.

Durant has been a superstar since 2010..

Curry has been a legit star since 2014.

Kawhi has been one of the best players in the league since the beginning of last year.


Criticizing any of these players based on one game here or there is stupid. Their narratives are written on a much longer time frame than that.
 
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No back up this statement with facts. We all know you hate Harden. You said he's been playing poorly this postseason. Post the stats or shut the fukk up.
Prior to this game he was shooting 40% from the field and turning the ball over at a higher rate than any other player in the league. But it goes well beyond what his box score reads. This is to go along with the fact that's he's been lazy and downright horrible on the defensive end in almost nearly every game. Which speaks to a higher point of how his game is constantly exposed in a playoff enviroment due to his style of play. The fact you've been watching him for 4-5 seasons and still can't see it is mind-boggling. But I've come to expect that of you.

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@Hiphoplives4eva in a nutshell -

I see it like this - his skill level really isn't better than those "cheap tactics", because he understands he doesn't have the ability to score at a regular rate without them. Plan A - look for an easy opportunity to score. Plan B - look to get a whistle. That's the gist of his game. He only started generating consistent offense in that 3rd quarter because he identified easy scoring opportunities and capitalized on them. It's what he does best. It's the same thing Karl Malone used to do. It's why he employs those cheaps tactics in the first place, because when things get tough or he identifies that he doesn't have a high chance of scoring he resorts to using them. It's why he cherry-picks, it's why he typically drives when a player is out of position, or there's a weak rim protector, or if he can bait a defender into swiping at his hand/ball. If there's an easy opportunity to score, you best believe he'll take it.

Now there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, obviously. And that's what he should be doing. However, those opportunities come around less often in the postseason, not only because teams tighten up their D and gameplan meticulously, but as we all know the officials let more contact slide. Once he's left without an abundance of regular easy scoring opportuniuties to take advantage of, and doesn't get the calls he usually gets - his and his team's offense suffers, greatly. It basically stops the Rockets from going on runs and it stops them from continuing runs once on them. It's why he has such erractic shooting games/periods, and you never feel like he's ever in control of the game. The amount of damage this does to the flow of the offense is immeasurable.

If you only look to score during easy scoring opportunities, and look to get foul calls (instead of looking to score) when there isn't those opportunities, it's not exactly a recipe for winning basketball in the postseason now is it?

To make matters even worse (and what ties into him looking to get whistles), his meandering temperament doesn't help him out either. Everyone can see just how lazy, inconsistent and unfocused he is on defense, but it's the same on the offensive end. He doesn't just use minimal effort on defense, but he uses minimal effort on offense too. He's constantly looking to take shortcuts on both ends; exhausting the loopholes in the game. It's why he fades in and out of games, and why he can't keep the tempo or provide consistent and efficient offensive production when things get tough (i.e. in a playoff setting).

I mean how can a team expect to win in the postseason when their leader/#1 option takes this sort of approach to the game with these crippling, bad habits?

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Prior to this game he was shooting 40% from the field and turning the ball over at a higher rate than any other player in the league. But it goes well beyond what his box score reads. This is to go along with the fact that's he's been lazy and downright horrible on the defensive end in almost nearly every game. Which speaks to a higher point of how his game is constantly exposed in a playoff enviroment due to his style of play. The fact you've been watching him for 4-5 seasons and still can't see it is mind-boggling. But I've come to expect that of you.

:manny:
The fact you're posting a wall of text without any actual numbers speaks volumes. I don't need your opinion. We've already surmised your a moron. I just want you to defend the statement that Harden has had a terrible post season.

I'm sure you have nothing to say because we all know this is a bold faced lie. Again, I'm done engaging you. Good night.


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The fact you're posting a wall of text without any actual numbers speaks volumes. I don't need your opinion. We've already surmised your a moron. I just want you to defend the statement that Harden has had a terrible post season.

I'm sure you have nothing to say because we all know this is a bold faced lie. Again, I'm done engaging you. Good night.


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I ask how the fukk did you write that in response to this post (it's in the very first line of my post!) -
Prior to this game he was shooting 40% from the field and turning the ball over at a higher rate than any other player in the league. But it goes well beyond what his box score reads. This is to go along with the fact that's he's been lazy and downright horrible on the defensive end in almost nearly every game. Which speaks to a higher point of how his game is constantly exposed in a playoff enviroment due to his style of play. The fact you've been watching him for 4-5 seasons and still can't see it is mind-boggling. But I've come to expect that of you.

:manny:
And how dare you act like you even take stats on board when they go against your agenda anyway -
nikka fukk you. Stats can mean whatever the fukking statistician wants them to mean.

Take your precious stats and shove them up your ass
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Thats because he is the best player on the floor and has to be fouled to be stopped. Do you even watch the game or due you just look at stats and watch ESPN? :mjpls:
Man fukk your statistics. Your posting bullshyt and you know it. What the hell is an "offensive rating", and how the hell does that factor into the MVP evaluation? Stats are biased as fukk and you know this, so all these nonsensical stats your posting can all be manipulated to give the outcome you want. Offensive rating is a PISS POOR stat to determine how good a player is, because its weighted heavily towards 3point shooters. Something i'm sure your well aware of, and yet you are repeating this nonsense as if it is some sort of defining stat to determine a players worth on the floor.

Secondly, Harden has played exceptional defense this season. You continue to reference harden as some sort of inferior defender, so its clear your basing your opinion based off of ignorance as opposed to real game stats and information.

thirdly, Tyson Chandler has the highest offensive rating this year, so i guess he is your MVP huh? :rolleyes:
You're mom lost for giving birth to your dumb ass.

And @NelsonSwagdela all those stats you quoted is nothing more than moneyball analytics mumbo jumbo. The fact of the matter is who is more valuable to their team: Steph Curry or James Harden? Without Steph Curry Warriors are still a top 5 team in the west. Without James Harden Rockets are at best an 8th seed and probably wouldn't make the playoffs. All those other stats you've posted are nothing more than inflated money ball stats that factor VERY LITTLE in determing which player is more valuable to their team.

And yoru wrong on the Curry scoring 36 per. James Harden is the second leading scorer in the NBA right now with 27.2. He's far more valuable to his team than Curry. Your nothing but a blind Golden State fan.
"Bu bu bu bu look at the analytics! He's clearly the MVP based on his QBRXYZ score!!!" - typical analytics moron

Anyone that plays basketball can clearly see that Harden is a far better player than steph curry.

Steph is nothing but a pure spot up shooter masquerading as a point gaurd. He doesn't know how to pass, because ALL HE DOES IS SHOOT THE BALL EXTREMELY WELL! He should be more of a small forward like Kyle Korver. But he is so small he would get dominated defensively in that role. Dude can be shut down with good defense. Dude is frail as fukk. GS knows this hence the reason Bogut and Green protect him to the point of having to do illegal defensive techniques to get him open. This team is fugaizi as hell. IF GS wins, imagine this analytics shyt getting more mainstream. :scusthov:

nikkas are so obsessed with stats they don't even pay attention to the fundamentals! You can always tell who is actually watching games and who is reading stats and watching ESPN highlights based on some of the dumb shyt they say.
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The nerve of you.
 

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This postseason:

Harden: 30/8/5 with 5 TOs on 41/29/89 shooting (59% TS)
Curry: 27/6/5 with 3 TOs on 45/41/90 shooting (63% TS)

There's the numbers so far.
 

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With some random saying from the 1960s :pachaha:

"Skeeeyuppp, my mama always said the only difference between store brand and name brand is the price at the register and that boy Kawhyyyy is looking real cheap right now"

REP CITY , REP REP CITY bytch

GET THIS REP BOY :salute:
 

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With some random saying from the 1960s :pachaha:

"Skeeeyuppp, my mama always said the only difference between store brand and name brand is the price at the register and that boy Kawhyyyy is looking real cheap right now"

Got dammit I read that in Shannon's voice :russ:
 

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I do agree with the notion that he gets to slide by on performances other superstars get raked over the coals for

but after the Spurs won the chip and then lost the following year in the first round and nobody ethered them for that I saw the jig

I dont even bother anymore
 

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Kawhi doesn't put people in their feelings. He doesn't threaten their deities or make them feel bad about themselves. People aren't tired of him yet. He is what people claim that they want out of their athletes (even though they would be bytching and tune out if the Spurs faced the Celtics in the Finals).
 

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I ask how the fukk did you write that in response to this post (it's in the very first line of my post!) -

And how dare you act like you even take stats on board when they go against your agenda anyway -





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The nerve of you.

so instead of defending your inital bullshyt post that claimed James Harden has played terribly these playoffs, you instead drag out posts from the past 5 years.

You're a clown. Seek help
 
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