1990s NBA teams vs Current teams.

[FunkDoc1112]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_NBA_Expansion_Draft

these were the players selected in the expansion draft.

Out of this list, please tell me the best player and how good were they on their previous teams. These guys were benchwarmers for the most part. Rick Mahorn was probably the "best" player and he came off the piston bench. The pistons repeated after he left.

And don't you think all of a sudden multiple teams coming in means there's going to be a lot more scrub teams consisting of leftovers whose talents were maximized on more loaded rosters, and rookies who wouldn't have sniffed the league in previous years?

This stuff adds up. Teams had to fill valuable role players who were taken at the top with scrubs or grocery baggers from Oklahoma. Yeah, the Pistons repeated, but they were still on an even playing field with a diluted league. Not even sure why you'd even bring that up.

 

[Jplaya2023]

And don't you think all of a sudden multiple teams coming in means there's going to be a lot more scrub teams consisting of leftovers whose talents were maximized on more loaded rosters, and rookies who wouldn't have sniffed the league in previous years?

This stuff adds up. Teams had to fill valuable role players who were taken at the top with scrubs or grocery baggers from Oklahoma. Yeah, the Pistons repeated, but they were still on an even playing field with a diluted league. Not even sure why you'd even bring that up.

Again, i ask you, of the players selected in that expansion draft, who was the best player selected, and how big was their role on their previous team. Again you can protect up to 8 players, so your essentially saying players 9-12 on their teams(bench guys who rarely played) diluted the talent in the league.

 

[LV Koopa]

Somebody mentioned the lack of dominant scorers as evidence of decreasing talent, but that's misleading. There aren't as many dominant scorers for two reasons: teams don't iso like they used to in the 90s. It's a more team-oriented style of basketball with a lot of movement. And the other reason is coaches have embraced rest more, Thibodeau being the exception. Less minuites = less opportunity to score. Back in the 90s, starters playing 37-40 minutes a game was the norm, with 36 minutes for an elite guy being the absolute minimum. The last player to average 40 MPG was Monta Ellis in 2011. Jimmy Butler lead the league this season at 38.7...which wouldn't have even been in the top 20 back in 1997, where 8 players alone averaged over 40.

So given that, the numbers these guys are putting up are impressive. Steph averaged 24/8 while only playing 33 minutes a game! Westbrook put up Oscar Robertson-type 28-7-9 in only 34! In the 90s, teams were more top heavy thanks to a decline in talent and expansion diluting everything, so the stars had to do more and play heavier minutes. If guys like Steph, Blake, Westbrook and so on were logging the same amount of minutes as guys in the past, they'd be putting up some wild stats and scoring numbers.

Also, Pace. the number of possessions has been trending downward as the game has gotten better - floor balance and transition defense are an actual thing now. Thats why you gotta when cats say Wilt could average 100 or Jordan could average 40 a game in the modern era. Comparable scorers aren't even sniffing that because there aren't enough possessions.

 

[gluvnast]

For the most part 90's teams were devoid of talent period. They'd get cooked by most teams today 3 Pt specialist or not.

What???? Craig Hodges is arguably the greatest 3pt shooter that ever done it.

The issue is how the NBA transformed to Euro-ball and adapted for more international appeal. Also they wanted a faster pace game with higher scoring volume which is why the SHORTEN the 3pt line which made it easier for people to make and more people to attempt.

90's players were more diverse in talent and skill and had more discipline.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

That's right guys, CRAIG HODGES is the best 3-point shooter ever. Not the slew of players since who have put up similar percentages on considerably higher volume.

Now, I know you're going to point to his season where he shot 49% from there (on less than 3 attempts ) as the ultimate evidence, but consider the fact that, as Bird himself said, teams didn't even bother defending 3-pointers in the 80s unless it was the last 2 minutes. Kyle Korver has seasons where he's shot 47%, 49%, and 54% () from there on 4-7 attempts and this dude talking about Craig Hodges is the best to ever do it. And then you got dudes like Steph Curry and Steve Nash taking dudes off the dribble and still shooting over 40% from there. As the primary ballhandlers! Damn old heads and their nostalgia

 

[I.V.]

What???? Craig Hodges is arguably the greatest 3pt shooter that ever done it.

The issue is how the NBA transformed to Euro-ball and adapted for more international appeal. Also they wanted a faster pace game with higher scoring volume which is why the SHORTEN the 3pt line which made it easier for people to make and more people to attempt.

90's players were more diverse in talent and skill and had more discipline.

This post is so hard-core awful that I need a nap. :rufio:

 

[gluvnast]

fools talking there wasn't any talent in the 90's clearly never watched NBA ball back then....

But here's a refresher for those who have.... I cannot THINK of an era with more diverse players and teams and overall skills.

 

[NYC Rebel]

fools talking there wasn't any talent in the 90's clearly never watched NBA ball back then....

But here's a refresher for those who have.... I cannot THINK of an era with more diverse players and teams and overall skills.

Youtube clips usually aren't filled of low lights my dude.

 

[mastermind]

What???? Craig Hodges is arguably the greatest 3pt shooter that ever done it.

 

[RiffRaff]

Youtube clips usually aren't filled of low lights my dude.

Right

90's basketball nikkas y'all

 

[MrFantastic]

This post is so hard-core retarded that I need a nap. :rufio:

Other than the Craig hodges part what was retarded about it? Nba Is transforming into Euro Ball...

Not sayin it's good or bad...but it's basically euro ball..

Teams concrete so much on the three there isn't any more diversity in the game anymore..it's basically pick and roll and drive and kick..that's it...

 

[mastermind]

Other than the Craig hodges part what was retarded about it? Nba Is transforming into Euro Ball...

Not sayin it's good or bad...but it's basically euro ball..

Teams concrete so much on the three there isn't any more diversity in the game anymore..it's basically pick and roll and drive and kick..that's it...

as opposed to the isolation approach that dominated the game for years until this new era?

 

[MrFantastic]

as opposed to the dump it down to the isolation approach that dominated the game for years until this new era?

They had different offenses breh...pick and role..triangle..donny Nelson the original..posts up...ground and pound..

Now everyone pretty much run pick and roll

 

[mastermind]

They had different offenses breh...pick and role..triangle..donny Nelson the original..posts up...ground and pound..

Now everyone pretty much run pick and roll

Only one team ran a triangle

There was only one Don Nelson

Jazz did the PnR.

you either had a big man or you did isolation if you didnt have a system.

And the Warriors offense is not the same as the Rockets offense. And you still have archaic offenses like Memphis, Wizards, and Charlotte.

 

[Rev]

It really is interesting how many of today's - let's call it - 30+ year olds are struggling to come to grips with the POSSIBILITY that the superstars and teams and styles of past eras in their lifetime are not invincible...i.e. the 80s-90s players and teams

It's almost like we are those who we talk shyt about for not being realistic - i.e. People who say Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle, Bill Russell, etc. are the best ever without question. I'm now beginning to understand how that mindset can be in place.