1993 news special: Blacks against gangsta rap (Rev Butts, Rev Warnock)

[Black White Sox Hat]

We’re not against rap
We’re not against rappers
But we are against those thugs

This is why I’m here

 

[CrushedGroove]

The same church that never wants to listen to young people or their questions about life
The same church that takes from the community but rarely puts back into them
The same church that hurts and harms vulnerable children and women and tries to hide the “secrets”
The same church and elders that continuously sells us out every election cycle
The same church that gets behind oppressors that murder us in cold blood in the streets and only talk forgiveness
The same church’s that don’t want to rock the boat anymore because if eyes get on them, they lose power, money and resources
You fake problack nikkas get in this forum and never talk in grey
Always black and white
One could argue that “gangsta rap” is one of the downfalls of black civilization
But let’s not sit here and act like this is just the main reason for community decay
All your elders and church people ain’t as clean as you tried to portray in this nearsighted ass post

That's a broad stroke of the brush in regard to the church as a whole. I think, with the historical context of both, we should ask ourselves:

Which has had a generally negative impact on the Black community?

 

[King Poetic]

Was there drugs? Killings? Crime? Prior to rap music , yes

But for a lot of rappers they went on to glorify the shyt in order for themselves to eat well because the executives and c00n black executives wanted to pushed it and get away from the pro black shyt

U ask them nikkas at the time and it was always the same shyt” i rap about what i see and I what i live around”… you also lived around black men working black women working, black kids going to school and getting educated.. you tell me everywhere in the hood black women was hoes and bytches and black men was selling drugs..

These rappers talking about the hood but they live in the suburbs and they kids are in private schools with white kids.. why your kid not in the hood and in public schools if u representin the hood so much

 

[Apollo Creed]

Was there drugs? Killings? Crime? Prior to rap music , yes

But for a lot of rappers they went on to glorify the shyt in order for themselves to eat well because the executives and c00n black executives wanted to pushed it and get away from the pro black shyt

U ask them nikkas at the time and it was always the same shyt” i rap about what i see and I what i live around”… you also lived around black men working black women working, black kids going to school and getting educated.. you tell me everywhere in the hood black women was hoes and bytches and black men was selling drugs..

These rappers talking about the hood but they live in the suburbs and they kids are in private schools with white kids.. why your kid not in the hood and in public schools if u representin the hood so much

The underlying theme is Black Men being removed fro position to dictate and manage a productive culture opened the door for this stuff. Every other group could see music and the likes as entertainment, but without a cultural backbone keeping order you then have situations where people become raised by entertainment. It's why as other groups become more fatherless you see them being groomed by pop culture now.

How and Why Black men were removed is a different conversation but this is one of the results.

 

[boogers]

this was an... interesting read. i didnt know a lot of this stuff

Anti-Rap Crusader Under Fire

C. DeLores Tucker gained fame by condemning gangsta music. Now one of her targets, Death Row Records, is questioning her motives. She denies the allegations.

www.latimes.com

 

[The God Poster]

Gangsta rap. We had more balance then. I listened to NWA but I also listened to Tribe and De La.

That’s what I was getting at. Her issue wasn’t with all of rap just gangsta rap so the diversity was irrelevant

It would be different if she went at all of hip hop

 

[Guess Who]

The issue is when the most negative rap music and culture became the anchor on which we built our identities.

 

[Wild self]

The issue is when the most negative rap music and culture became the anchor on which we built our identities.

Look at the older posters that built their identities with superthuggin and ignorance of the Crack Era.

 

[WIA20XX]

this was an... interesting read. i didnt know a lot of this stuff

Anti-Rap Crusader Under Fire

C. DeLores Tucker gained fame by condemning gangsta music. Now one of her targets, Death Row Records, is questioning her motives. She denies the allegations.

www.latimes.com

“We are not slumlords and never have been,” she says. “We used to own properties in the inner city that we rented to displaced women on welfare with six or seven children who couldn’t get housing anywhere else. We tried to help them, but the tenants never paid their rent. Plus, they tore up the buildings. It got to the point where they had to all be boarded up. So you tell me, who is responsible?”

 

[tay1]

Blaming rap for societal issues is lazy.

 

[patscorpio]

That’s what I was getting at. Her issue wasn’t with all of rap just gangsta rap so the diversity was irrelevant

It would be different if she went at all of hip hop

but c delores tucker didnt hate all hiphop...i remember on a podcast kid from kid n play told a funny story about her when she recognized him

 

[Bar Razor]

We followed the rappers and legit abandoned the Civil Rights generation cause everyone was hyped off of curse words, general debauchery, and shock value like violence. Where did that get us 35 years later?

Exactly. The saddest part is that you now have generations of people who grew up never knowing a time before criminal rap took over the mainstream. They don’t know a time where there was variety in the mainstream.

After the NWA phenomenon and suburban kids going crazy over the shock value record labels only wanted to sign a certain kind of act. You had to be some version of a street kingpin. And I blame NYC a lot. Hip hop came to a fork in the road. And NYC, the creators, the innovators could have said naw we’re not gonna copy the west coast we’re gonna continue to do our own thing. But they folded and NYC became Death Row East and all the acts that weren’t on that time were marginalized.

And I enjoy a bunch of those acts. Because they excelled in what emceeing should be - flow, cadence, wit, storytelling etc. Some all time great talent. But the overemphasis on the street bars stagnated the whole genre and it never recovered.

I wouldn’t even have minded so much if the VARIETY still existed. Like for every DMX there was a Mos Def getting equal shine on the radio. But that was relegated to the derisive “back packer” category.

When art is overly commodified it loses. And the street dude shooting n***, fukking hoes, selling crack became one of the biggest commodities in music. And the vultures weren’t going to pass that up, no matter the damage done to the genre.

Now we got kids worshipping a serial killer of black men. A true shame.

 

[Wild self]

Exactly. The saddest part is that you now have generations of people who grew up never knowing a time before criminal rap took over the mainstream. They don’t know a time where there was variety in the mainstream.

After the NWA phenomenon and suburban kids going crazy over the shock value record labels only wanted to sign a certain kind of act. You had to be some version of a street kingpin. And I blame NYC a lot. Hip hop came to a fork in the road. And NYC, the creators, the innovators could have said naw we’re not gonna copy the west coast we’re gonna continue to do our own thing. But they folded and NYC became Death Row East and all the acts that weren’t on that time were marginalized.

And I enjoy a bunch of those acts. Because they excelled in what emceeing should be - flow, cadence, wit, storytelling etc. Some all time great talent. But the overemphasis on the street bars stagnated the whole genre and it never recovered.

I wouldn’t even have minded so much if the VARIETY still existed. Like for every DMX there was a Mos Def getting equal shine on the radio. But that was relegated to the derisive “back packer” category.

When art is overly commodified it loses. And the street dude shooting n***, fukking hoes, selling crack became one of the biggest commodities in music. And the vultures weren’t going to pass that up, no matter the damage done to the genre.

Now we got kids worshipping a serial killer of black men. A true shame.

Top tier posting


We never really recovered from the damage that Eazy E pushed onto the black youth. Every rapper gotta be BIG lite who comes from NYC, or they gotta be Terminator 2.0 from the block, killing more people than the war on Iraq.

 

[The God Poster]

but c delores tucker didnt hate all hiphop...i remember on a podcast kid from kid n play told a funny story about her when she recognized him

lol that was my point

 

[Nomad1]

take away rap right now and you nikkas are still poor and stupid