2/8/24 ESPN: Teofimo Lopez vs Jamaine Ortiz (WBO Super Lightweight Title) / Keyshawn Davis vs Jose Pedraza

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ortiz's last fight he got clipped a couple of times and prolly decided to be more conservative with someone twitchy and explosive like teo with the game plan he used

Even in the Loma fight, he stood toe to toe and did a solid job countering and being able to match Loma's footwork. Thats why I thought he was doing too much unnecessary movement in the beginning.

Also, I didn't realize Lopez footwork was so fukkin bad. Haney would eat him alive.
 

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Btw, this reminded me of when Canelo had trouble catching and cutting off the ring with the human Gazelle Lara. I think it might be difficult to cut the ring off when someone is actively moving both ways laterally and not looking to engage. This is not your ordinary fighter where you can just cut off the ring here and there - this is someone doing everything to avoid interaction. Not the same.

I certainly had Canelo winning that fight btw because there’s no way in hell I’m giving the W to a man literally running and NOT looking to fight his opponent. And yeah, some haters had Lara winning - just like some haters have Ortiz winning now. The right man won tonight though. Anything else is just a reflection of their disdain for Teo.
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Because I felt the same way.

About to watch the highlights because I actually thought this shyt was this weekend and not on a gotdamn Thursday

Either way, if homie was moving like Lara moved during that Canelo fight, I will give it to Lopez too.

I’m not saying not to box, but Lara was on skates that entire fight. He might’ve even won but I’m not championing a nikka that does that shyt either.
 

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Even in the Loma fight, he stood toe to toe and did a solid job countering and being able to match Loma's footwork. Thats why I thought he was doing too much unnecessary movement in the beginning.

Also, I didn't realize Lopez footwork was so fukkin bad. Haney would eat him alive.
Eeh he beat Loma decisively but the last stages of that fight Teo was getting his ass whooped toe to toe and trying to box once Loma started getting busy.
 

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Exactly. You can't judge a fight based on feelings, you got to go by the work done in the ring. Ortiz was moving and throwing punches, and Lopez was flustered.

Yep, cats trying to move the goalposts on what boxing actually is, different layers/gears to that shyt, toe to toe/banging is just one aspect of it, and not even the most important really.
 

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Bob Arum: Jamaine Ortiz Was Running Around The Ring; That Isn’t Boxing; This Was Disgraceful​

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BY KEITH IDEC
Published Sat Feb 10, 2024, 08:34 AM EST
Bob Arum admitted Friday that he was completely caught off guard when Jamaine Ortiz fought Thursday night the way that the cautious underdog opted to box against Teofimo Lopez.
An annoyed Arum watched from a front-row seat as Ortiz approached Lopez from a southpaw stance and carefully fought off of his back foot for 12 rounds. Ortiz believes his strategy, while not at all entertaining, was more than effective enough to upset Lopez in their fight for the former unified lightweight champion’s WBO junior welterweight title.
Arum – whose company, Top Rank Inc., promotes Lopez and co-promotes Ortiz – excoriated Ortiz for what Arum considers an unappealing performance in a main event ESPN televised from Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino’s Michelob ULTRA Arena in Las Vegas.
“It was really terrible,” Arum told BoxingScene.com. “I mean, we didn’t know this would happen. We’ve had [Ortiz] fight some big fights for us and he was always very competitive, a good warrior. This wasn’t a fight. He was running around the ring. That isn’t boxing. I don’t know how the officials scored it as close as they did. At most, I gave [Ortiz] two rounds, maybe three rounds. But people are paying good money to watch good athletic competition, and this was disgraceful.”
Judges Steve Weisfeld (117-111), Tim Cheatham (115-113) and David Sutherland (115-113) all scored their fight for Lopez. Weisfeld, who scored nine rounds for Las Vegas’ Lopez (20-1, 13 KOs), apparently agreed with Arum’s assessment of Lopez’s first defense of a WBO belt he won from former undisputed 140-pound champion Josh Taylor (19-1, 13 KOs) on June 10 in The Theater at Madison Square Garden in New York.
CompuBox’s unofficial punch stats indicated that their fight unfolded closer to how Cheatham and Sutherland scored it. Ortiz (17-2-1, 8 KOs), of Worcester, Massachusetts, landed two more punches overall than Lopez, according to CompuBox (80-of-409 to 78-of-364).
Regardless, Arum joked that Thursday night Top Rank fights on ESPN are “a jinx.”
Lopez-Ortiz occurred less than three months after American Shakur Stevenson defeated Dominican southpaw Edwin De Los Santos unanimously on points in an unforgettably boring 12-round fight for the then-vacant WBC lightweight title November 16, also a Thursday night, at T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas. The unbeaten Stevenson and Terence Crawford, the undefeated three-division champion who mentors Stevenson, were among the high-profile fighters that praised Ortiz for his performance on social media.
The 92-year-old Arum was bothered more, though, by Lopez-Ortiz than Stevenson-De Los Santos.
“I just thought with Shakur, he didn’t engage very much,” said Arum, whose company also promotes Stevenson. “But he wasn’t running around the ring like a track star. And Shakur definitely won the fight. That was never an issue. But [Ortiz], I mean, what the hell was he thinking? You don’t do a fight like that. Maybe you do it for a few rounds to get your opponent frustrated, but you don’t do it for 12 rounds. And then for the guy to think he won the fight, he wasn’t landing any punches and Teofimo was landing occasional punches.”
 

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6 rounds Ortiz out punched Teo.
5 rounds Teo out punched Ortiz.
1 round equal amount thrown.

5 rounds Ortiz out landed Teo.
3 rounds Teo out landed Ortiz.
4 rounds Teo and Ortiz landed the same amount.
 

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I watched some of the highlights

If anything it could’ve been a draw from what it seems. I still have to watch the entire fight and probably will later.

Ortiz was doing good work but you’re not going to win championships backing up all night. And from the looks of it, he wasn’t just backing up to get out of danger, he was backing up at times to halfway across the ring.

Yeah it’s probably to set himself up to get back in the center where he wanted to be, but then he would back up more.

I dont agree with the 117-111 score though, that was obviously bullshyt. It was much closer than that and it looked like Ortiz did lose that last round.

Like I said, at worst it should’ve been a draw. Ortiz might’ve should’ve won on points, but you just don’t win title fights running away
 

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I watched some of the highlights

If anything it could’ve been a draw from what it seems. I still have to watch the entire fight and probably will later.

Ortiz was doing good work but you’re not going to win championships backing up all night. And from the looks of it, he wasn’t just backing up to get out of danger, he was backing up at times to halfway across the ring.

Yeah it’s probably to set himself up to get back in the center where he wanted to be, but then he would back up more.

I dont agree with the 117-111 score though, that was obviously bullshyt. It was much closer than that and it looked like Ortiz did lose that last round.

Like I said, at worst it should’ve been a draw. Ortiz might’ve should’ve won on points, but you just don’t win title fights running away
I can see a draw because Lopez did rally back after 7.
It's been plenty of fighters that won titles with the hit and don't get hit gameplan going back to James J Corbett beating John Sullivan
 
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