2014 Was a Bad Year for Homeopathy

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2014, A Bad Year For Homoeopathy

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This has been a bad year for homoeopathy, first there was the Draft Information Paper on Homoeopathy from the NHMRC, which concluded there was no reliable evidence for the use of homoeopathy in the treatment of the 61 health conditions looked at. Then a homoeopathic remedy manufacturer left the North American market due to law suites over the ineffectiveness of their products, then the Federal Court has found that Homeopathy Plus! was engaged in misleading conduct over its homoeopathic “vaccines”

Quoting from the ACCC website “…[Homeopathy Plus!] engaged in misleading and deceptive conduct and made false and misleading representations to the effect that there was an adequate foundation in medical science for the statement that homoeopathic treatments are a safe and effective alternative to the whooping cough vaccine, when in fact no such foundation exists..”

However, this is not a one-way street. Complementary Medicines Australia has claimed, 6 months after the public consultation process had closed, that the NHMRC process was flawed. In the august publication Food Navigator Asia it was claimed to be “fatally flawed”.

Before we examine these claims, let me remind you that homoeopathy is based on two principles “like cures like” and extreme dilution, in most cases to levels so dilute that there is almost no chance of a single remaining molecule of original compound being present in the remedy. Thus caffeine diluted 1 in a hundred 30 times is used to treat insomnia and Uranium nitrate diluted 1 in a hundred 30 times is used to treat diabetes.

In the latter case it is fortunate at no uranium will actually be present, as uranium nitrate causes kidney failure. In uranium nitrate-induced kidney failure some glucose turns up in the urine, as the kidneys ability to reabsorb it is damaged. This is completely unlike what happens in diabetes, where high blood glucose overwhelms the kidneys capacity to reabsorb it (in uranium nitrate toxicity blood glucose is not elevated so it is not “like” diabetes at all). Thus the rationale for homoeopathic treatment is flawed at many levels.

But back to the draft report of the NHMRC’s review of homoeopathy. This represents the largest and most extensive recent review of homoeopathy research. The review looked at both systematic reviews of the use of homoeopathy in 61 heath conditions and submissions on behalf of interested parties, which contained a mix of systematic reviews and individual randomised controlled trials. All submissions and papers were carefully evaluated against strict criteria recognised internationally for this type of review. The Australasian Cochrane Centre independently reviewed the overview report to ensure that it was valid and high quality.

To remind you, the review found there was no good evidence that homeopathy was effective for any of the 61 medical conditions considered. In some cases, there was clear evidence that homoeopathy was ineffective; in others the evidence base was too weak to give a clear result. These findings are in concert with other large reviews of homoeopathy. Let’s look at the claimed “flaws”.

There Was No Adequate Explanation Of Why Randomised Controlled Trials (RCTs) Were Excluded.

They were not excluded. The main review focused on systematic reviews, which included randomised controlled trials (and other types of high level evidence). This is the best way to compare multiple studies. Randomised controlled trials are considered the highest level of evidence, but the results of a single randomised controlled trial may be misleading for many reasons.

Chance is one, if a therapy has no actual effect,by chance alone you will find some studies that appear to show an effect.

Thus it is far better to compare as many high quality trials as possible to get a clearer picture. Randomised trials were not excluded, but an integral part of the evidence through systematic reviews. Randomised controlled trials submitted by stakeholders that were not already part of systematic reviews were considered as well.

While there are limitations to this approach (specifically the most recent research may be excluded), it is widely used in making clinical decisions and in no way invalidates the findings of the report. One of the biggest limitations is that negative findings tend to be under-reported, so that systematic reviews tend to overestimate the effectiveness of a therapy. That homoeopathy cannot pass muster under these conditions is telling.

Three academics invited to comment on the review all broadly agreed there was no high quality evidence recommending homoeopathy for any disorder.

The Review Excluded Too Many Studies.

Of the 1367 publications considered in the main review, only 60 were finally considered. Not because of anything sinister, but because only those met the review criteria. 374 were duplicate citations, 729 were the wrong study type (not peer-reveiwed, not systematic reviews or metaanalyses, or not looking at controlled trials or high level evidence) or were not looking at the conditions considered in the review or did not report the outcomes (etc. etc.) (see the main review for details).

Of the reports submitted by stakeholders, only a few passed the inclusion criteria or were not already included. Pro tip, if the NHMRC asks you for peer-reviewed systematic reviews and randomised controlled trials in humans, don’t submit books on the life of Hahneman and studies of frogs exposed to thyroxine (yes, I went through the papers).

The Review Did Not Consider Any Publication Not In English.

While this excludes some studies, most high quality studies are published in the English language press. As well, the practicalities of translating foreign language papers to ensure there are no complicating errors in translation are avoided. Overall, the impact of this decision on the reliability of the report is marginal at best.

The NHMRC had not appointed a homeopathic expert to the panel.

Assoc Prof Evelin Tiralongo on the NHMRC panel is trained in homeopathic remedies.

The Review Did Not Consider Animal Studies.

These homoeopathic preparations are already in use in humans, so the appropriate studies are ones in humans in the first place. As well, the studies in animals suffer the same flaws as those in humans, too many are of poor quality and many are unable to be interpreted or make claims that cannot be supported. For example, one study submitted to the review that claimed to demonstrate that homoeopathic treatments kill breast cancer cells actually shows that the ethanol diluent is the lethal factor.

Summary

Overall, while there are some limitations to the study, this is a wide ranging, carefully interpreted study. While overall the broad conclusion is that there is no good evidence the homoeopathy being effective in the 61 studied conditions, in at least 13 studies there was good evidence that homoeopathy was ineffective (asthma for example). The results of this study are in broad agreement with previous studies of homoeopathy (see also this, and before you bring up the “Swiss Report” see here and here).

The NHMRC study conclusion that “…the assessment of the evidence from research in humans does not show that homeopathy is effective for treating the range of health conditions considered” cannot be ignored or dismissed.

http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/2014-bad-year-homoeopathy

But homeopathy worked for my co-worker's wife, so it must work for everyone else too :sas2:
 
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Bias article. Bad Year for Homeopathic Medicine? :mjlol: More people are going to it and leaving the destructive Big Pharma. How many people died in homeopathic medicine and then check the stats of how many people died from Big Pharma last year. :sas1::sas2:.


I guess they won't cover that though.
 

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Bias article. Bad Year for Homeopathic Medicine? :mjlol: More people are going to it and leaving the destructive Big Pharma. How many people died in homeopathic medicine and then check the stats of how many people died from Big Pharma last year. :sas1::sas2:.


I guess they won't cover that though.

Point out any sources of bias in that high-powered study that weren't already discussed, then we can talk
 

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Wait I'll help you out by listing a few categories, let's see what you can come up with: :jawalrus:

Selection Bias
Reporting Bias
Information Bias
Misclassification Bias

I'll be patiently waiting :sas2:
 
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The articles contesting the results have legitimate arguments.
1. There were no non-english speaking research concluded, therefor their claim is illegitimate
2. There were no Homeopathic expert on the roster. They claimed they had someone who was knowledgeable. If I practice martial arts, does that make me a master?

My arguments on this..
1. This is the same Aussie Group that botched the Tamiflu trial results and tried to get itself out of the embarrassing limelight this year by redoing the results. How many has this group done the exact same way as they done for Tamiflu the first time?
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/apr/10/tamiflu-saga-drug-trials-big-pharma

2. How do you trust Research Groups like this who truly aren't independent and favors Big Pharma every step. 2012 Washington Post article exposing Research Medicial Groups siding with Big Pharma because they were getting paid.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...64d596-1264-11e2-be82-c3411b7680a9_story.html
 

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The articles contesting the results have legitimate arguments.
1. There were no non-english speaking research concluded, therefor their claim is illegitimate
2. There were no Homeopathic expert on the roster. They claimed they had someone who was knowledgeable. If I practice martial arts, does that make me a master?

My arguments on this..
1. This is the same Aussie Group that botched the Tamiflu trial results and tried to get itself out of the embarrassing limelight this year by redoing the results. How many has this group done the exact same way as they done for Tamiflu the first time?
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/apr/10/tamiflu-saga-drug-trials-big-pharma

2. How do you trust Research Groups like this who truly aren't independent and favors Big Pharma every step. 2012 Washington Post article exposing Research Medicial Groups siding with Big Pharma because they were getting paid.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...64d596-1264-11e2-be82-c3411b7680a9_story.html

"1. There were no non-english speaking research concluded, therefor their claim is illegitimate"

Agreed that we can draw no conclusions from the non-English articles. But they stated up front that they didn't look at those articles and thus didn't comment on those articles anyways. Any good review will list its limitations.

"2. There were no Homeopathic expert on the roster. They claimed they had someone who was knowledgeable. If I practice martial arts, does that make me a master?"

Yes they did have homeopathic experts, see below. And regardless, knowledgable in this context means one has to understand how to critically analyze methodology and stats, not so much to actually be knowledgable on the topic of interest.

"3. How do you trust Research Groups like this who truly aren't independent and favors Big Pharma every step. 2012 Washington Post article exposing Research Medicial Groups siding with Big Pharma because they were getting paid."

It's true you have to question any authors that have conflicts of interest. In medical journals that could often be because clinicians/researchers are consultants for pharmaceutical companies. Why this group is good is because it's a Cochrane review group. Cochrane reviews have stricter standards than ANY other review group I know of.

For any reasonable peer-reviewed journal, you NEED to list your conflicts of interest on the paper. Otherwise you'll be called out in the scientific community.

Love the article you posted, because we NEED to be wary of people with ulterior motives. But as you see even in those NEJM studies you posted, the authors clearly stated they had conflicts of interest (usually in the intro of the actual papers). That's on the reader to look for.

SO back to our alternative medicine/ homeopathy paper, here are the conflicts of interest, in plain view for everyone to see: :sas1:

http://www.nhmrc.gov.au/your-health/complementary-medicines/membership-homeopathy-working-committee

Big Pharma writes all these reports right? :sas1:
Not expecting those alternative medicine researchers, were we? :sas2:
 
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"1. There were no non-english speaking research concluded, therefor their claim is illegitimate"

Agreed that we can draw no conclusions from the non-English articles. But they stated up front that they didn't look at those articles and thus didn't comment on those articles anyways. Any good review will list its limitations.

"2. There were no Homeopathic expert on the roster. They claimed they had someone who was knowledgeable. If I practice martial arts, does that make me a master?"

Yes they did have homeopathic experts, see below. And regardless, knowledgable in this context means one has to understand how to critically analyze methodology and stats, not so much to actually be knowledgable on the topic of interest.

"3. How do you trust Research Groups like this who truly aren't independent and favors Big Pharma every step. 2012 Washington Post article exposing Research Medicial Groups siding with Big Pharma because they were getting paid."

It's true you have to question any authors that have conflicts of interest. In medical journals that could often be because clinicians/researchers are consultants for pharmaceutical companies. Why this group is good is because it's a Cochrane review group. Cochrane reviews have stricter standards than ANY other review group I know of.

For any reasonable peer-reviewed journal, you NEED to list your conflicts of interest on the paper. Otherwise you'll be called out in the scientific community.

Love the article you posted, because we NEED to be wary of people with ulterior motives. But as you see even in those NEJM studies you posted, the authors clearly stated they had conflicts of interest (usually in the intro of the actual papers). That's on the reader to look for.

SO back to our alternative medicine/ homeopathy paper, here are the conflicts of interest, in plain view for everyone to see: :sas1:

http://www.nhmrc.gov.au/your-health/complementary-medicines/membership-homeopathy-working-committee

Big Pharma writes all these reports right? :sas1:
Not expecting those alternative medicine researchers, were we? :sas2:

1. This wasn't a review on Homeopathy, this was a lynching. They didn't bother to use the non-english ones because they knew it would have addressed studies not in their favor. Bias example #1

2. One person was trained in homeopathic medicine but how does that make him an expert? Someone trained 200 hours of flight school does that mean they can fly a plane? Bias example #2

3. I see you totally ignored the Aussie Research Group's botched review( paid review) on Tamiflu.

4. I trust the Cochrane Group as much as I trust any other group. They aren't the bible and shouldn't been seen as one especially since the Washington Post exposed groups just like them and on top of that the Tamiflu example explains it all. Independent as they claim, they sure get alot of funding from Universities, Companies and Gov't in bed with BigPharma. Not one donation/funding comes from Alternative/Homepathic/Natural experts, schools or groups. Maybe that is why they are so bias.

4A. You showing me a list of people on the membership who did nothing to this review. Plus if you read their summaries only 1 or 2 have Homeopathy in their roster.

:mjlol: Come back to me when Homeopathy really has something to worry about. Your bible group you claim so holy won't do a compare and contrast of death, injury and emotional damage of H.P Medicine vs. Big Pharma.
 

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1. This wasn't a review on Homeopathy, this was a lynching. They didn't bother to use the non-english ones because they knew it would have addressed studies not in their favor. Bias example #1

2. One person was trained in homeopathic medicine but how does that make him an expert? Someone trained 200 hours of flight school does that mean they can fly a plane? Bias example #2

3. I see you totally ignored the Aussie Research Group's botched review( paid review) on Tamiflu.

4. I trust the Cochrane Group as much as I trust any other group. They aren't the bible and shouldn't been seen as one especially since the Washington Post exposed groups just like them and on top of that the Tamiflu example explains it all. Independent as they claim, they sure get alot of funding from Universities, Companies and Gov't in bed with BigPharma. Not one donation/funding comes from Alternative/Homepathic/Natural experts, schools or groups. Maybe that is why they are so bias.

4A. You showing me a list of people on the membership who did nothing to this review. Plus if you read their summaries only 1 or 2 have Homeopathy in their roster.

:mjlol: Come back to me when Homeopathy really has something to worry about. Your bible group you claim so holy won't do a compare and contrast of death, injury and emotional damage of H.P Medicine vs. Big Pharma.




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