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BigMoneyGrip said:
He’s not a dem and 2. He got exposed for getting help from russian bots that he knew was illegal and said nothing 3. Voted against Russian sanctions twice..

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Who cares he's not a Dem they're losers.
And most voters could give a fukk about Russia man.
 
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Call Me James said:
Cobalt miners aren't being underpaid because of the current pricing of the iphone X. This is faulty logic. Similarly the price of Cobalt has gone up despite earnings for miners staying the same.

Apple reportedly in talks to buy cobalt directly from miners
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I'm not sure that anonymous speculation on possible future deals has much to do with my point. And, if Apple does cut out Chinese middle-men in procuring cobalt, I can only imagine it has more to do with their bottom line than the welfare of cobalt miners.
I don't think that it's faulty logic to assume that the cost of iphones would increase if all the labor in the production process was afforded the same protections that American laborers are. Or don't they deserve those protections?
 
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Shogun said:
I'm not sure that anonymous speculation on possible future deals has much to do with my point. And, if Apple does cut out Chinese middle-men in procuring cobalt, I can only imagine it has more to do with their bottom line than the welfare of cobalt miners.
I don't think that it's faulty logic to assume that the cost of iphones would increase if all the labor in the production process was afforded the same protections that American laborers are. Or don't they deserve those protections?
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Nothing about it is speculative. This is the price of cobalt.

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The touch screen/module is the most expensive part of the iphone.

iPhone X Component Costs Estimated at $357.50
Apple's new iPhone X costs $357.50 to make, according to estimates sourced from TechInsights and shared today by Reuters. At an estimated $357.50 to produce with a price tag of $999, the iPhone X has a gross margin of 64 percent, higher than the iPhone 8's gross margin of 59 percent.
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The raw costs for the iPhone 7 battery was only around $3.00. This is what your cobalt is mostly going to. Please explain how this means the price of the phone should increase by $1,000 dollars.
 
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Call Me James said:
Nothing about it is speculative. This is the price of cobalt.

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The touch screen/module is the most expensive part of the iphone.

iPhone X Component Costs Estimated at $357.50




The raw costs for the iPhone 7 battery was only around $3.00. This is what your cobalt is mostly going to. Please explain how this means the price of the phone should increase by $1,000 dollars.
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That's the point. The batter only costs $3.00 to make because the natural resource being used to create the battery is basically stolen. The global trade price has little to do with the labor exploitation in 3rd world countries that feeds the industry. I am actually surprised you're arguing with me on this.
Do you think that chart you posted means conditions for cobalt miners are improving? All it means is investors are making more.

Regardless, my point was a much more general one: Americans do not deserve deserve cutting edge technology at the expense of entire communities, nations, etc. If you think that large numbers of people should suffer so Americans can more easily access twitter, then we're never going to agree.
 
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Call Me James said:
Please explain how this means the price of the phone should increase by $1,000 dollars.
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How much would an all-American iPhone cost?

How much would an iPhone cost if it were entirely made in the U.S.?

At the moment, the iPhone 5 costs between $650 - $850 retail.

iPhones are mostly manufactured and assembled in China, famously by the company Foxconn. And Apple pays around $5 per iPhone for labor.

"It largely costs more for people to manufacture products in the U.S. because of higher labor costs," says Carl Howe, Vice President of data sciences at the Yankee Group. "Labor costs here are somewhere in the vicinity of two to three times what they’re going to be in China."

Now our iPhone (the cheapest model) will cost $660, but labor’s not the most significant financial advantage to manufacturing the iPhone in China, where Apple has been able to create enormous iPhone-assembling villages.

"They have these special regions, like Shenzhen, which is an industrial region," explains Rene Ritchie, editor-in-chief of iMore, a publication about Apple products. "Anything you need is just a couple of buildings away, and the ability to keep everything so close together has incredible logistic advantages for Apple."

Ritchie says it would be almost impossible to re-create that in the U.S., which would mean longer assembly times, less efficient assembly and lots of micro-shipments.

"It’s an incredibly complicated process to build one of these devices and you’d have to move that entire culture of production to the U.S. in order for it to work," says Ritchie.

And then there are the parts themselves…

"For almost every component that goes into the device, there may be as many as two or three sources," says Andrew Rassweilier, Senior Director of Materials and Cost Benchmarking at IHS technology. "Then if you were to dig down another layer into some of the components, such as the display, the touch screen, the batteries. Those are also assemblies that are comprised of multiple components coming from, potentially, multiple counties."

IHS broke down the cost of the iPhone’s components and found they add up to around $190 per phone.

The most expensive part of the phone is the display, which costs about $40. Making the display in the U.S. would roughly triple its cost, according to Rassweilier. That alone would add around $80 to the price of the iPhone

That brings our iPhone to $740.

Rassweiler says making all of the iPhone’s parts in the U.S. would push the price of the iPhone’s components from $190 to around $600.

"If the materials alone are costing $600," says Rassweilier, "it stands to reason, that same iPhone could cost, perhaps, $2,000 at retail."

That's right. $2,000 for an iPhone.

And it wouldn’t even earn political goodwill from most of its customers.

The U.S. only brings in 6 percent of profits from iPhone sales, according to "Inequality for All".

"Two out of three Apple customers aren’t in the USA anymore," says the Yankee Group’s Carl Howe. "That’s quite a change from many years ago when most of Apple’s customers were in the US."

It’s just as well, says Howe. Even with overseas cost efficiencies, the iPhone is one of the costliest phones on the market.
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jayshiggs said:
Yeah, they need a progressive candidate then. Being anti-Trump is not going to be good enough. Plus despite the news he really hasn't done anything legislative wise people are really pissed off about. His tax reform isn't popular but it really doesn't matter much to people already broke.
Seems this thread is also conceding he will finish his term. I remember when that was a pipe dream. lol
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Did you know that phone scams have quadrupled? All because Trump reversed the Obama regulation where phone companies couldn't sell your number to advertisers. Now, people are getting calls from fake numbers and scammers are back in the game. I am sure most people don't know or understand why he did it.

I am even confident you don't care either. Your job here is to cast doubt and you're right on it.
 
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