2021 Basketball HOF Class Announced

[Mandizi]

happy for Cwebb. I've been ranting about him not being in for years.

all this hate for this class is wild

there's still levels to this...its not like they got in first ballot. but you cant deny guys with perennial accolades...you cant deny a 4x defensive player of the year..him and Mutombo are the only ones to win it that many times!...Cwebb is 20 and 10 for his career, turned 3 franchises around, made all nba teams in a stacked era for his position. Bosh is a perennial all star with championships. They have to be in..but again..its not first ballot...so there's still a distinction between the Kobe's, KG's, and Timmy's vs guys that were a tier below. I have no problem with that

I know he turned Sactown around, but you think he also turned Washington around? I think the bullets made the POs only one year out of the 3.5 years bruh played there. Would love to know who you think is the 3rd franchise. Regardless, I'm also happy for CWebb, well overdue.

 

[Mandizi]

Good stuff right here. Randle reminds me a Webber a little.

 

[FAH1223]

 

[Greenhornet]

TO Bosh was nice, but so was Minny Kevin Love. Both of them couldn’t lead their teams deep in the playoffs and both were role players for LeBron when they won their chip. Is Heat Bosh & Cavs Love hall of famers? If not why are rewarding role players with first ballot inductions?

thats conditional stuff. If you judge trash teams with the minimum of good players stat padding. Then rate them the opposite when the same player takes minutes reduction and a lesser role to win. You cant separate the same player from different situations

plenty of players are hall of fame and had lackluster careers playoff wise. When you split the discussion into who carries a team you divide the convo in half and the point is lost. Even saying "deep playoff runs" when that shyt dont matter only winning really does. Its like saying "fukk Damien Lillard for not winning" but then you trade him to Philly and you're like "Lillard is now top 10 PG" thats nonsensical

Realistically think about how dumb the hall of fame is in general
We sat and argued about CWebb being hall of fame on here for years...he hasnt played in forever.
Now suddenly its okay to call him a hall of famer over night? That means he has always been a hall of famer since his last year of playing.
But if he had to wait 20 years total.... we could still call him not that great that whole time? That's a weird barometer to measure someone who's completed their career.
Like "You are all time, but not until I say so."

Bosh has his case but Love fukked his up by being stuck in Cleveland. That shyt ruined his career in turn for a ring. Another reason at this point I'd take money and stats over a ring.

 

[Collateral]

Just pad your stats overseas and come to the nba when you’re washed and you’ll get in

Stephon Marbury should be first ballot then considering his NBA and international career.

thats conditional stuff. If you judge trash teams with the minimum of good players stat padding. Then rate them the opposite when the same player takes minutes reduction and a lesser role to win. You cant separate the same player from different situations

plenty of players are hall of fame and had lackluster careers playoff wise. When you split the discussion into who carries a team you divide the convo in half and the point is lost. Even saying "deep playoff runs" when that shyt dont matter only winning really does. Its like saying "fukk Damien Lillard for not winning" but then you trade him to Philly and you're like "Lillard is now top 10 PG" thats nonsensical

Realistically think about how dumb the hall of fame is in general
We sat and argued about CWebb being hall of fame on here for years...he hasnt played in forever.
Now suddenly its okay to call him a hall of famer over night? That means he has always been a hall of famer since his last year of playing.
But if he had to wait 20 years total.... we could still call him not that great that whole time? That's a weird barometer to measure someone who's completed their career.
Like "You are all time, but not until I say so."

Bosh has his case but Love fukked his up by being stuck in Cleveland. That shyt ruined his career in turn for a ring. Another reason at this point I'd take money and stats over a ring.

I agree with you breh

 

[tremonthustler1]

Stephon Marbury should be first ballot then considering his NBA and international career.

I agree with you breh

Marbury played in wack ass China. He got his statue, a stamp, and bat sandwiches for life. He got his flowers already

 

[murksiderock]

I feel like I've done this before but I can't remember where so here it goes again:

Rick Adelman

Adelman coached for 21 years and missed the postseason a full third of his career, 7 seasons. He only made it to two Finals, with those great Blazers teams. Never winning a championship could be forgiven if he made it to more Finals or conference Finals, he only made it to four and was 2-2. Adelman had two 60-win seasons and nine 50-win seasons with six sub-.500 seasons...

In 14 playoffs, he was a Rd1 out 8 times, over half his playoff career. What does that say about Adelman?

He has a .582 win percentage in the regular season, which is equivalent to 47.7 wins/season. That isn't bad but that's not even 7 games over .500, he coached his entire career in The West, in an average year that's around an 8-seed in The West. 40% of the time during his career, you're missing the playoffs out west with that record (~47-48 wins), and you're never a team with home court with that record...

So a guy who on average was a low playoff seed, missed the playoffs a full third of his career, was one and done in the playoffs more than half the time he made it, never won a title, was .500 in his playoff career, only played in two Finals, was .500 in just four conference finals, this is a Hall Of Fame coach?

For comparison, Doc Rivers has coached 22 years, so roughly equivalent to Adelman's 21. He's only missed the playoffs 5 times with one more season coaching, been to the same amount of Finals but won a title so he has an edge there; has a winning conference finals record (2-1); and has also been a Rd1 out 8 times. Doc has two 60-win seasons and eight 50-win seasons with three sub-.500 seasons...

Doc's regular season record is .585, 47.97 wins/year, so same as Adelman, with a .506 playoff record, also same as Adelman's .503. His record is on average a 5-seed in The East, where he's coached 14 of his 22 years, and on a good year that record is good for a 3-seed out east...

So is Doc a Hall Of Fame coach? He's had the same career as Adelman while spending majority of it in the easier bracket. What distinguishes Doc is the championship, losing his other Finals down to the final minute in a G7, and winning a championship with All-Time superstars while Adelman couldn't seal the deal with his superstars. Doc also had half the sub-.500 seasons as Adelman, so I think he has enough of an edge to be a legitimate Hall coach...

Adelman was a good coach. Too many red flags to be a Hall Of Fame coach, though...

 

[murksiderock]

Chris Bosh

I knew this dude would get in, so I'm not surprised, but he isnt a realistic Hall Of Famer. Dude played seven years in Toronto and missed the playoffs five of those years. His career was enhanced tremendously by playing with two players greater than him...

This guy was never the best player at his position or even really in that conversation, never led The League in any category, was never an MVP candidate, was never a Top 10 player, had multiple disappearing acts in the playoffs on his "superteam", likely isn't one of the Top 100 players in league history, I can keep going...

He's a Hall Of Famer because historically Basketball Hall is gonna lock you in if you're the third best player on a historic team. So again, not a surprise, Bosh is certainly not a realistic Hall Of Famer...

Paul Pierce

Paul is legitimate. He's gotten slightly overrated with time, but only slightly. He was never really a Top 10 player either, but dude was a big gamer who could hold his own in matchups with greater players. Pre-KG Pierce was better in Boston than Bosh in Toronto and he was a better player overall than Bosh. And when he got to play with other stars he wasnt the third wheel...

If you take away the KG run in Boston, he isn't a Hall player, but the six-year run they had in Boston was a mini-dynasty and he was a huge reason for that, if not the biggest reason. He's legitimate...

Coach Russell

Being the first black coach and winning those titles as a player/coach got him in there. Otherwise he doesn't have an impressive coaching resume...

 

[murksiderock]

Ben Wallace

Like Bosh, this isn't a surprise. Was a Top 3 player on a historic, mini-dynastic team, and has four DPOYs. My only beef with Ben is he played 16 years, and was only relevant for about five of them. All-Time great interior defender but the majority of his career he was damn near bum status...

I get why he's in, the 00s Pistons don't exist without him. But him getting in is lowering an already low bar, you can make the case for any All-NBA defender now who otherwise wasnt impactful anywhere else...

Chris Webber

Definitely has gotten overrated with time. I'm from Sacramento, was a HUGE fan during the Kings golden era. He'll always be beloved in the city for the best era of ball we ever had...

But Hall Of Famer?

He was truly great in his prime, consistently a Top 10 player, 4th place MVP in '01, led a team to a WCF. His prime was truly elite...

Problem with Webber is he was allergic to money time, he's a regular season warrior. He missed the playoffs 5 of the 9 years he wasnt in Sacramento...

His career tends to get romanticized as if he was running The League and he wasn't, or as if he had a longer prime than he actually did. His college run is also why he's getting in, I'm not surprised he's in. But my general theory is if you have to ask if a guy is a Famer, he probably isn't. But my bar is higher than most...

Webber was a really good player at his best, but not great enough to deserve The Hall...

 

[murksiderock]

Bob Dandridge

Just no....

.........

For the thousandth time, the NBA needs its own Hall. But equally important, Basketball Hall continues to prove its really the Hall Of Good. This is a weak ass class with only one deserving inductee...

 

[wire28]

C Webb
Ben Wallace

detroit and country day stand up

 

[hazardous]

Nice to see they're finally inducting Webber

 

[FAH1223]

Nice to see they're finally inducting Webber