2021 USA Basketball @ Tokyo Olympics

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Having a Kobe vs MJ argument in 2021

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

@WOAT in here WOATing it up.

 

[GOAT]

my god you are retarded youre stuck making some sort of all-time historical strawman argument about mj and kobe's placing on the GOAT rankings when we're talking about what would happen in a game. nobody is saying kobe is BETTER but he can hang and go toe to toe with mj which is what I've been saying this whole time.

to put this into words your simplistic dikkriding casual basketball mind can comprehend, its the same reason why pierce isnt on brons level but was able to go toe to toe with him in multiple playoff series except the gap between pierce/bron is much wider compared to kobe/mj. oh but eye test and stats

saying im discounting film when i clearly said i used the eye test and i wasnt moved by the quality of competition nor the defensive tactics in comparison to what kobe faced. boy the education system failed u so bad your parents need to ask the government for a tax refund

we seem to be going in circles on this issue but here: The Dream Team’s Intrasquad Scrimmage in Monte Carlo - The Global Herald was this scrimmage not competitive because it took place in practice?

look what mj had to say about a scrimmage. oh but the goat don't know shyt about basketball and never played it in his life because he takes scrimmages seriously right so heres the part where you can tell me the dream team beating up on angola is more meaningful than this intrasquad scrimmage because one was a game and the other was practice

you are STILL so pressed that you have to resort to arguing against shyt I never said. quote me where I said the college team was better than the dream team. i said they beat them fair and square in a competitive scrimmage and that means that the dream team can get got rather than your dikksucking casual take that the dream team was invincible and wins against any team no matter what. especially against teams with their rosters filled with hof talent as well.

ANOTHER strawman you cant make this shyt up how are you so bad at debating that you're putting words in my mouth and arguing with yourself with every point you make? point me to where I said ewing or Robinson would be at a disadvantage against chandler, please.



i talked about high-leverage game situations and whole playoff series where roleplayers held their own against those two rather than your over-simplistic take that ewing and d-rob are so much better than chandler therefore they will dominate him on both ends a former dpoy tyson chandler holding his own on defense is inconceivable but not when greg foster does it for a whole playoff series. the 90s dikkriding is off the chain

a 32 year old d-rob putting up 22/11 on 51% shooting as the 2nd fiddle to duncan on a 56 win team is past his prime. ok lil buddy as I've been saying over and over, ewing and d-rob can be stopped, and they were stopped by players much worse than tyson chandler in the playoffs specifically because of their jumpshooting playstyle. you claim to be all up on 90s ball but somehow never heard of these criticisms of Robinson and ewing, as great as they were, they could never really get it done.

not only are you constantly making up strawman arguments, you're now ignoring things I've already said to rebut your dumbass points tell me what use elite rim protection is against some of the best midrange scorers the game's ever seen? tell me what this elite rim protection gets you when ewing gets caught on a switch having to guard kobe in space? what happens when bron trucks d-rob at the rim over and over and puts him in foul trouble because he outweighs dude by 40 lbs? d-rob and ewing were GREAT defenders but they are going against the best offensive players ever. your view of the game is so simplistic that it beggars belief, for someone that claims to know about basketball, you sure talk like a huge casual



literally going off what you said lil buddy, duncan dirk and KG are bigs that dwight guarded. duncan or KG >>> ANY SG or SF in mj's prime

once again proving youre a dikksucking prisoner of nostalgia. if you really want to talk ball let's talk about how some of the best perimeter defenders ever would swarm and make life hell for the dream team wings, backed up by one of the best help defenders and rim protectors in nba history in dwight who won 3 straight dpoy these arent your athletes of the 90s we're talking about here

speaking of all-time defenders, let's talk about some of the guys who would play significant minutes for the dream team. who is barkley guarding in a scenario where the 08 team puts out dwight-bron-melo-kobe-wade? who is mullin guarding? stockton won multiple all-defense awards but who is he able to check that's not going to blow by him or shoot over him? its almost like team defense and matchups matter more in the real world than whatever hyperbolic situation you make up in your head where the dream team rolls over any and all competition because 'better offense and defense' and anyone saying otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about

I don't need any out. you're getting tortured out here, its so sad to see so infuriated that tatum can't get any burn on the worst olympic team since 2004 that you had to go off on a wild tangent to deflect off it and now you're trying to cover your tracks with nonstop strawman arguments and ridiculous hyperbole hate to see it

Look at your bytch ass trying to back track. "gOInG tOe To ToE" is just a bullshyt cliche/generality that doesn't mean shyt. Some shyt you'd hear a blowhard talking head on ESPN say. There is a sizable gap between prime Michael Jordan and prime Kobe Bryant and anyone who truly understands the game of basketball knows this. Jordan wins that matchup decisively.

No, you used no such eye test. Because you started watching basketball in like 2013. You are fooling absolutely nobody. There is zero chance you watched any tapes of the game of basketball from that era.

So we've concluded that you think a scrimmage is equivalent to a game. Cool. So now we know you've never participated in organized basketball. You keep going back to the "competitive" issue, like that has anything to do with why a scrimmage at the end of a practice where you are given specific points of emphasis/focuses from the practice to apply and work on where the scoreboard is inconsequential/secondary, to an actual GAME against another team that you've watched film on/gameplanned for with the SPECIFIC and SINGULAR goal of winning the game and nothing else. Again, you would know this stuff if you played sports, but you have not.

Uh...where did I indicate ANYTHING about you saying the college team was better than the Dream Team? Don't blame your stupidity and lack of reading comprehension on me. I said suggesting the 2012 team is better than the Dream Team based on a scrimmage that the Dream Team had is laughable and not even worth arguing. It's a stupid point and is only being brought up because your argument is that feeble that you have absolutely nothing else to grasp onto.

Yes, and the fact that you think "role players held their own" against Ewing and Robinson because of the numbers you cherry picked off of BBall reference to discredit them really drives home your lack of understanding of the game. You really just looked at their numbers, then scrolled up to see who the center was on the other team and came to the conclusion that "Hey look! (Insert role player) held their own!". As if Ewing/Robinson didn't have the ENTIRE defense keyed in on them and the whole game plan of the other team was to slow them down. No fukking single role player on those teams were matched up one on one with them dumb fukk. A novice like argument from a novice of the game of basketball.

Ewing and Robinson were "stopped" by TEAMS. Who realized that there were no other good offensive players on the floor and they could not be punished for loading up on them.
Uh...yes, a 32 year old Robinson in 1998 was VERY obviously past his prime. He suffered a major injury the year before and his numbers dropped off dramatically. How on Earth do you not know this? How the fukk do you think they even got Duncan? A 32 year old coming off a major injury in the 90s being past their prime is pretty fukking common place. Hell, you and that other dumb nikka were saying '92 Magic was washed at a YOUNGER age coming off no major physical injuries. Oh, and Dwight...you know, the Center yall are trying to say was better than Ewing? He was past his prime at age 28-29. But you can't wrap your head around the idea that a 32 year old Admiral off a season ending injury is past his prime lol.

Those "criticism" of Ewing/Robinson (made by dumb fukk, hot take beat writers, why am I not surprised you're holding your hat on this?) won't mean fukk all when they're on the Dream Team in their roles as mostly rebounders/defenders and rim runners/lob threats offensively.

Even asking the question "what use is rim protection" followed up by literally ANYTHING is enough to expose your lack of basketball knowledge. You got guys shutting down the middle, it dramatically alters a teams offensive attack. And on top of that, you got Mike and Scottie hounding you on the wing.

@ that juelzing on the Dwight point. My comment was Dwight played in the worst era for centers in modern basketball. So no, you're not "going off what I said". You're trying to change the argument because you're getting throttled and you have no actual response. Oh, and if your dumb ass thinks Dwight was ever matched up on Dirk or KG, you literally did not watch basketball even then. Watch any match up between Dwight and KG/Dirk during those years. He absolutely was not guarding those guys. Duncan, MAYBE because he played primarily inside. He was guarding NO stretch fours who played on the perimeter/midrange for more than a handful of possessions a game. He was never matched up one on one with those guys. That's just a lie.

So now you're going back to combining '08 and '12 because you know you can't argue with a straight face that Chandler wouldn't get dominated by the much superior Dream Team centers. Oh, and you wanna talk best perimeter defenders ever? Mike and Pippen are close to the top of that list. Best rim protectors ever? Robinson and Ewing are close to the top of the list? On top of two multitime all-defensive player sin their prime in Malone and Stockton. And on top of that, everyone who would see the floor are all alltimers at their position and hall of famers. You can't say the same for 2012

Who's Kevin Love guarding? Who's Deron Williams guarding? Who's Melo guarding? Who's Harden guarding? We can both play this game. And I win every single time.

Keep trying to feebly bring up Tatum. Maybe at some point I'll fall for it and allow you the out you are so desperately seeking

 

[Primetime21]

yall mothafukkas need to take this shyt to PM. what the hell

 

[GOAT]

@WOAT in here WOATing it up.

This cac trying to get my attention at 4am in the morning. You think Kyle Lowry is a better basketball player than prime J-Kidd. Nothing else needs to be said about your basketball knowledge

 

[Big Boss]

Gameday

 

[Jim Cornette]

 

[im not you]

Retard babble

talking to this kid is literally like trying to argue with someone autistic. lost in his own world, making shyt up, ignoring shyt I say when it suits him, and only dealing in absolutes so ill keep this terse and to the point since I feel like I'm abusing the disabled at this point. ill even put the shyt you made up or ignored in quotes so it'll be easier for your remedial ass to follow

my last post: nobody is saying kobe is BETTER but he can hang and go toe to toe with mj

Retard: Look at your bytch ass trying to back track. "gOInG tOe To ToE"

Me a few posts ago: act like prime 08 kobe isnt going toe to toe with mj

how am I backtracking when that was the point I was making since the beginning and I never strayed from it going toe to toe is a common expression in sports when you're talking about head to head matchups, lil buddy. put it any other way, it means the same thing

Retard: There is a sizable gap between prime Michael Jordan and prime Kobe Bryant and anyone who truly understands the game of basketball knows this. Jordan wins that matchup decisively.

my last post: to put this into words your simplistic dikkriding casual basketball mind can comprehend, its the same reason why pierce isnt on brons level but was able to go toe to toe with him in multiple playoff series except the gap between pierce/bron is much wider compared to kobe/mj.

anyone who truly understands basketball knows there is a gap between prime bron and prime pierce. so how did pierce score 41 to bron's 45 to close the cavs out in a game 7 win if all it takes is knowing that bron is better than pierce isn't it a foregone conclusion that bron will son pierce easily with no debate according to your logic

Retard: So we've concluded that you think a scrimmage is equivalent to a game. Cool. So now we know you've never participated in organized basketball.

Michael Jordan: "In many ways," he said, "it was the best game I was ever in. Because the gym was locked and it was just about basketball. You saw a lot about players' DNA, how much some guys want to win. Magic was mad about it for two days."

why is the best basketball player ever referring to that scrimmage as a game according to you, conflating scrimmages with games means you've never participated in basketball. does this mean the best basketball player ever never participated in basketball why was magic mad about a meaningless scrimmage for 2 days should we take the opinion of the best basketball player ever and the best point guard ever to play the game that scrimmages mean something or should we take the opinion of a random autistic coli poster

Retard: Uh...where did I indicate ANYTHING about you saying the college team was better than the Dream Team?

Also Retard: Suggesting one team is better than another based on what took place in a scrimmage is so laughable it's beyond comprehension

ill give you the benefit of the doubt here and allow that you were referring to the 2008 or 12 teams and the dream team in the 2nd quote. point me to where I suggested anything of the sort tho

Retard: He suffered a major injury the year before and his numbers dropped off dramatically.

going from 25/12 on 52% fg as a 1st option the year before the injury to 22/11 on 51% fg as a 2nd option the year after the injury is a dramatic drop off

Retard: How the fukk do you think they even got Duncan? A 32 year old coming off a major injury in the 90s being past their prime is pretty fukking common place.

how does someone who claims to know so much about the 90s not know that Robinson only had a fractured foot and was held out by the spurs so they could tank which eventually got them duncan as above, how was a 32 year old putting up 22/11 on 51% fg as a 2nd option on a 56 win team past his prime when he was doing 25/12 on 52% fg as a 1st option in the full year before the injury why is a guru of 90s ball claiming that drob was past his prime that year when he wasn't. wasn't he watching those games like he's been saying this whole time

Retard: Hell, you and that other dumb nikka were saying '92 Magic was washed at a YOUNGER age coming off no major physical injuries.

but magic suffered a major injury that olympics and didn't play very much

Retard: Oh, and Dwight...you know, the Center yall are trying to say was better than Ewing?

I'm sorry I don't recall ever saying that, can you point it out for me

Retard: But you can't wrap your head around the idea that a 32 year old Admiral off a season ending injury is past his prime lol.

addressed above

Those "criticism" of Ewing/Robinson (made by dumb fukk, hot take beat writers, why am I not surprised you're holding your hat on this?

how does a knowledgeable 90s basketball fan not know that ewing and Robinson were well-known for their failures in the playoffs they are legends for their squads but ask any knicks or spurs fan and they will tell you the same

Retard: won't mean fukk all when they're on the Dream Team in their roles as mostly rebounders/defenders and rim runners/lob threats offensively.

so your entire premise of tyson chandler getting dominated easily by ewing and Robinson on the offensive end is predicated on them having no plays called for them and working off what the better offensive players on their team are feeding them off hustle plays, boards, and pnr lobs

also retard from a few posts ago: Go ahead and key in on Ewing and Robinson defensively. See what that gets you lol.

why would the 08 or 12 teams need to key in on ewing or drob when you have already said they wont have plays called for them why would they need to key in on ewing and drob on rim runs and pnr lobs when they have athletic dpoy centers that can cover ground on pnr and match pace on rim runs

Retard: Even asking the question "what use is rim protection" followed up by literally ANYTHING is enough to expose your lack of basketball knowledge. You got guys shutting down the middle, it dramatically alters a teams offensive attack

but I mentioned ways the offensive attack would be shifted against a good rim protector and you said it was enough to expose my basketball knowledge here, we'll try again. if you are in the paint filling your role as an elite protector how do you contest a midrange jumper if the offensive player gets by their man and doesn't choose to go all the way to the cup. and what do you do as an elite rim protector when these midrange jumpers are being taken by some of the best midrange scorers ever if you are at the rim 'shutting down the middle' and your check is setting a screen for a perimeter player, are you just going to give up the open three and stay in the paint shutting down the middle but not contesting the open shooter? and once you give up an open three because you weren't playing proper pnr defense, what happens when you are then pulled away from the rim and forced to defend a perimeter player 1 on1 in space when a switch is forced. what happens when you are Patrick ewing trying to defend kobe, wade, bron in space (Robinson would do much better of course) if you are at the rim and one of the strongest finishers ever is coming downhill at you, does it mean you are automatically going to win the battle at the rim because you are 'an elite rim protector shutting down the middle' how does someone who claims to know basketball not know the ways in which a strong rim protector can be nullified and exploited

Retard: My comment was Dwight played in the worst era for centers in modern basketball

Also retard: Comparing the talent level of wings in the 80s-90s to late 00s-early 10s bigs

apparently not

Retard: Oh, and if your dumb ass thinks Dwight was ever matched up on Dirk or KG

when did I say this

Retard: So now you're going back to combining '08 and '12 because you know you can't argue with a straight face that Chandler wouldn't get dominated by the much superior Dream Team centers.

me: in a scenario where the 08 team puts out dwight-bron-melo-kobe-wade?

where did I combine 08 and 12 here? the premise of our argument is that 08 and 12 are better than 92. I've kept the two teams separate and never mixed them at any point

as for chandler getting dominated by the much superior centers who you have confessed will not have plays called for them and will be living off rim runs and pnr lobs, I think coach k will be ok with letting his mobile dpoy center fend for himself on those don't you

Retard: Oh, and you wanna talk best perimeter defenders ever? Mike and Pippen are close to the top of that list.

i know this and I never claimed otherwise

Retard: Best rim protectors ever? Robinson and Ewing are close to the top of the list

yes I've acknowledged this a couple times already, why are you repeating what I'm saying

I see we have come to the conclusion that these teams all have some of the best defenders ever

Who's Kevin Love guarding? Who's Deron Williams guarding? Who's Melo guarding? Who's Harden guarding? We can both play this game. And I win every single time.

yes both teams have mismatches that will be exploited, its almost like that's what happens in basketball

'you win every single time' only in your own mind where you don't account for style and how an actual basketball game plays out on the court and not on paper. offensively the dream team would have an advantage inside and 08/12 would have the advantage by spreading the floor 4out1in. whoever can impose their style the most effectively will win and I think 08/12 would do that

Retard: Keep trying to feebly bring up Tatum. Maybe at some point I'll fall for it and allow you the out you are so desperately seeking

this is me not bringing him up because I've already deconstructed your entire argument and embarrassing you further is unnecessary

 

[TYBG]

The fukk happened to this thread. nikkas mad AF

 

[Primetime]

The fukk happened to this thread. nikkas mad AF

Facts. The real heated debate should be:

Bet now on Aussie’s covering the +11.5 spread



Live bet in hopes USA gets down early (like the last 2 games) and spread drops down to -3 in their favor

I’m just sayin, we still got 3 hours

 

[Po pimp]

Facts. The real heated debate should be:

Bet now on Aussie’s covering the +11.5 spread



Live bet in hopes USA gets down early (like the last 2 games) and spread drops down to -3 in their favor

I’m just sayin, we still got 3 hours

Will this be on regular NBC?

 

[Primetime]

Will this be on regular NBC?

@TradePascalSiakam

Help us out breh. I’m back overseas and #streamgang right now

 

[MikelArteta]

@TradePascalSiakam

Help us out breh. I’m back overseas and #streamgang right now

nope sorry breh

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