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Have some faith. Anything is possible with Cheeto in charge and off the ballot.
Until some states literally have a mindset shift. The Republicans have a near majority in the Senate at any given moment. There are 24 states that are hard red that's 48 Senators that never break party. You have probably 19 States that you can likely say are safely blue. So already down 10 seats.

Leaves 7 states that could go either way and the Dems would need to sweep them every time. Just to have a slim majority. Where if the Republicans sweep the Republicans have a super majority.

That's the problem that doesn't have a clear change in sight.
 

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Trump has nothing to do with why states have been trending red since 2000. Until the party fixes some of the instate party leadership and fundraising nothing will change. Ohio being a +7 red state in the rust belt should tell you a lot, hell 20 years ago WVA was a blue state for 50 years
 

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Until some states literally have a mindset shift. The Republicans have a near majority in the Senate at any given moment. There are 24 states that are hard red that's 48 Senators that never break party. You have probably 19 States that you can likely say are safely blue. So already down 10 seats.

Leaves 7 states that could go either way and the Dems would need to sweep them every time. Just to have a slim majority. Where if the Republicans sweep the Republicans have a super majority.

That's the problem that doesn't have a clear change in sight.

Pretty much.

The entire system is designed to give more voting power to conservative rural states.


Trump has nothing to do with why states have been trending red since 2000. Until the party fixes some of the instate party leadership and investments nothing will change. Ohio being a +7 red state should tell you a lot, 20 years ago WVA was a blue state.

I disagree. Both Trump getting elected and the states trending red all comes down to backlash against Obama.

A lot of people saw a black president, just couldn't rock with that and started their Tea Party/MAGA bullshyt. Dems started losing seats when Obama got in and I don't think there's anything he could've done to prevent it. Just the optics of a black man in office caused backlash with a lot of voters.
 

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I disagree. Both Trump getting elected and the states trending red all comes down to backlash against Obama.

These states were trending red before Obama, they been trending red since dems signed nafta
A lot of people saw a black president, just couldn't rock with that and started their Tea Party/MAGA bullshyt. Dems started losing seats when Obama got in and I don't think there's anything he could've done to prevent it. Just the optics of a black man in office caused backlash with a lot of voters.
Obama actually overperformed amongst whites, he helped dems win states that they previously didn't find success in much such as Florida. So it wasn't just backlash to Obama, this problem has been ongoing. The gradual decline of blue collar jobs caused by NAFTA and the push for deindustrialization has led to the problem we have now. A lot of union workers were already socially conservative, you take their jobs replace them like clinton wanted with nothing yea thats a recipe for voting for the real conservative
 

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Until some states literally have a mindset shift. The Republicans have a near majority in the Senate at any given moment. There are 24 states that are hard red that's 48 Senators that never break party. You have probably 19 States that you can likely say are safely blue. So already down 10 seats.

Leaves 7 states that could go either way and the Dems would need to sweep them every time. Just to have a slim majority. Where if the Republicans sweep the Republicans have a super majority.

That's the problem that doesn't have a clear change in sight.
lol all I’m saying is we could see some fukkery in 26 and 28 without Trump on the ballot and his policies decimating people.

I know long term we are fukked as of now in 2032 based on how they are going to change the electoral college votes cause of population shifts.
 

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These states were trending red before Obama, they been trending red since dems signed nafta

Obama actually overperformed amongst whites, he helped dems win states that they previously didn't find success in much such as Florida. So it wasn't just backlash to Obama, this problem has been ongoing. The gradual decline of blue collar jobs caused by NAFTA and the push for deindustrialization has led to the problem we have now. A lot of union workers were already socially conservative, you take their jobs replace them like clinton wanted with nothing yea thats a recipe for voting for the real conservative

Obama was good at getting people to vote for him, just not very good at getting people to vote for other Democrats.

NAFTA was an issue, sure, but I don't think it's the main reason. In the US most elections come down to culture wars BS, and Obama being in office was just a great opportunity for FOX News and co., to rile up white voters about how they're being replaced and shyt.
 

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Obama was good at getting people to vote for him, just not very good at getting people to vote for other Democrats.

Obama/was similar to trump is to republicans but better, Obama was a crutch that allowed dems to remain competitive in the rust belt without having to actually work for votes.
NAFTA was an issue, sure, but I don't think it's the main reason. In the US most elections come down to culture wars BS, and Obama being in office was just a great opportunity for FOX News and co., to rile up white voters about how they're being replaced and shyt.
Nah, NAFTA was disastrous—it decimated countless towns across the Rust Belt and reshaped the political landscape in ways we're still reckoning with. It singlehandedly turned West Virginia red, Kentucky blood red, pushed upstate New York into purple territory, and helped flip Ohio too. These states don’t buy into the Democrats’ neoliberal agenda, which is why they’d rather vote Republican. In their eyes, Democratic politicians took away their jobs—and they’re not wrong.

Counties that relied on vulnerable industries pre-NAFTA saw persistent employment losses starting in the mid-1990s. A study from the National Bureau of Economic Research found that these areas, once reliably Democratic, shifted Republican by 2000, especially among white, working-class voters.
 

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Obama/was similar to trump is to republicans but better, Obama was a crutch that allowed dems to remain competitive in the rust belt without having to actually work for votes.

Nah, NAFTA was disastrous—it decimated countless towns across the Rust Belt and reshaped the political landscape in ways we're still reckoning with. It singlehandedly turned West Virginia red, Kentucky blood red, pushed upstate New York into purple territory, and helped flip Ohio too. These states don’t buy into the Democrats’ neoliberal agenda, which is why they’d rather vote Republican. In their eyes, Democratic politicians took away their jobs—and they’re not wrong.

Counties that relied on vulnerable industries pre-NAFTA saw persistent employment losses starting in the mid-1990s. A study from the National Bureau of Economic Research found that these areas, once reliably Democratic, shifted Republican by 2000, especially among white, working-class voters.
Bro I hate to tell you this but the machines was going to take the jobs of the foreign countries didn’t. The only reason they exported shyt was to avoid the environmental and workforce injury lawsuits.
 

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Bro I hate to tell you this but the machines was going to take the jobs of the foreign countries didn’t. The only reason they exported shyt was to avoid the environmental and workforce injury lawsuits.
Of course they were, it still doesnt mean you as a party want to be the forefront in accelerating that push without sometype of jobs replacement reform. Those jobs left and decimated entire generations of families. So yes they dislike democrats
 

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NAFTA was an issue, sure, but I don't think it's the main reason. In the US most elections come down to culture wars BS, and Obama being in office was just a great opportunity for FOX News and co., to rile up white voters about how they're being replaced and shyt.
Culture war shyt been on the rise since peoples economic well being been in decline. You gotta connect the dots.
 

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Of course they were, it still doesnt mean you as a party want to be the forefront in accelerating that push without sometype of jobs replacement reform. Those jobs left and decimated entire generations of families. So yes they dislike democrats

Them blaming the democrars alone is the problem.
 
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