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Voting is one of the main ways racial resentment expresses itself politically. The two are deeply intertwined. You can't cleanly separate one from the other.

And your framing is ahistorical. You're collapsing several very different political eras into one and misrepresenting how power actually shifted. Republicans were already winning national elections well before the late 1970s, and the Democratic "dominance" of the mid-20th century depended heavily on a racially exclusionary Southern bloc.

The major realignment wasn't driven primarily by economic downturns but by civil rights and the restructuring of racial and regional politics. Economic stress mattered, but it didn't create the shift, it helped mobilize it.

The New Deal is a perfect example of this, because the coalition explicitly excluded Black Americans to maintain white Southern support.
FYI I don't Necessarily disagree with you I just think its not the primary reason why racist white people vote, their has to be a larger overarching reason to convince them to take time off to vote. If it was only primarily racism, david duke and other actual open white supremacist would have saw much more success at the ballot box.
 

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We should absolutely pursue policies that materially improve people's lives, even if those policies have the side benefit of helping people with racist views.

What we can't do is ignore the role those motivations play or pretend that better economic conditions alone will meaningfully change racist voting behavior. History doesn’t support that idea.

Policy also can't be "neutral" just to avoid upsetting those voters. We have to examine how systems actually impact Black people and adjust accordingly. Otherwise, we're not changing anything, just maintaining the status quo under a different name.
 

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We should absolutely pursue policies that materially improve people's lives, even if those policies have the side benefit of helping people with racist views.

What we can't do is ignore the role those motivations play or pretend that better economic conditions alone will meaningfully change racist voting behavior. History doesn’t support that idea.

Policy also can't be "neutral" just to avoid upsetting those voters. We have to examine how systems actually impact Black people and adjust accordingly. Otherwise, we're not changing anything, just maintaining the status quo under a different name.

i Actually agree that’s why I’m unabashedly FBA focused. I’m willing to throw others overboard to get FBADOS off of the bottom
 

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We should absolutely pursue policies that materially improve people's lives, even if those policies have the side benefit of helping people with racist views.

What we can't do is ignore the role those motivations play or pretend that better economic conditions alone will meaningfully change racist voting behavior. History doesn’t support that idea.

Policy also can't be "neutral" just to avoid upsetting those voters. We have to examine how systems actually impact Black people and adjust accordingly. Otherwise, we're not changing anything, just maintaining the status quo under a different name.
Policies being income based would disproportionately benefit the black people who need it most while ensuring some type of staying power since it’ll also benefit poor whites
 

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Look at the infrastructure bill and how democrats allowed them to claim it as a major success after voting it down lol
Dems spoke up about no Republicans voting for the infrastructure bill, I specifically remember Biden (among others) speaking about it. Dems have been talking for years about how Repubs dont vote for bills, then show up at the medal cutting ceremonies diddy bopping.
you guys are right, as usual. what kind of unserious, useless clown would vote "No" on the infrastructure bill :mjlol:

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How do you accomplish this when you the only legislation you can pass is budget reconciliations?


Biden did a lot in these areas but no one cared in the end.(Lowering Obamacare premiums, Capping insulin). Gas prices are still low now because of Biden record breaking domestic oil drilling. forgiving billions of student loans and creating new payment options.

You can do a lot via budget reconciliation. Massive bills that build housing, or improve the ACA. We also now have clear precedent that you can tell the parliamentarian to fukk off. Long term I don't think it's great to continually use this, given it gives you a ten year window before expiration. Then again that just means no more dikking around. Build homes now. Now 3 years later while running for re-election. And that's going to require clear shifts in government red tape, regulations, etc. You can marry Mamdani shyt with "abundance" in this respect.

We need massive projects that create a lot of jobs and quickly build homes. I'd also look at heavily boosting Habitat To Humanity, which is really good at quickly building affordable homes.

My fear is the next dem admin focuses on impressing the MSNBC boomer crowd (my parents) with heavily scheduled/coordinated reversals of Trump shyt. Re-naming the Trump-Kennedy Center back to just the Kennedy Center. Returning the Department of War to the Department of Defense. Re-hiring government workers and rebuilding NIH and other agencies that were gutted. All things I support 100% but they could all be done on day one. I don't need this shyt sprinkled through an entire year while tangible shyt isn't addressed.
 

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You can do a lot via budget reconciliation. Massive bills that build housing, or improve the ACA. We also now have clear precedent that you can tell the parliamentarian to fukk off. Long term I don't think it's great to continually use this, given it gives you a ten year window before expiration. Then again that just means no more dikking around. Build homes now. Now 3 years later while running for re-election. And that's going to require clear shifts in government red tape, regulations, etc. You can marry Mamdani shyt with "abundance" in this respect.

We need massive projects that create a lot of jobs and quickly build homes. I'd also look at heavily boosting Habitat To Humanity, which is really good at quickly building affordable homes.

My fear is the next dem admin focuses on impressing the MSNBC boomer crowd (my parents) with heavily scheduled/coordinated reversals of Trump shyt. Re-naming the Trump-Kennedy Center back to just the Kennedy Center. Returning the Department of War to the Department of Defense. Re-hiring government workers and rebuilding NIH and other agencies that were gutted. All things I support 100% but they could all be done on day one. I don't need this shyt sprinkled through an entire year while tangible shyt isn't addressed.
Just strategically they actually should be sprinkled throughout the year so you constantly have a stream of favorable press to the people who hate this administration/your base.

You just can’t let that be the only things your doing, which I know is your point.
 

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Just strategically they actually should be sprinkled throughout the year so you constantly have a stream of favorable press to the people who hate this administration/your base.

You just can’t let that be the only things your doing, which I know is your point.
most of the erasure of the stench of trump should be done by summer '29. no one will be wanting to dwell on that fukking idiot much longer than that

i'm sure President Shapiro will make quick work of Trump's bullshyt ass monuments :smugfavre:
 

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you guys are right, as usual. what kind of unserious, useless clown would vote "No" on the infrastructure bill :mjlol:

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I know you're stupid but I expect better, fukk it i shouldn't expect better im tripping you typical lying misinformation trump supporter lol :dead:. Basically elon musk with a kobe avi at this point. Anyway they voted no to save bidens ass, because the bill was supposed to include BBB. Biden ultimately lied to his constituents and here we're today.
 
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