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Day after the election I went to get my car serviced. Mechanic had that smug look talking about Trump isn’t gonna directly make us richer but he’s gonna make everything cheaper :sas1:. Wish I needed to go in to see his dumbass face
shyt go in for an oil change. He might not even be employed right now laid off cause business slow :russ:
 
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Yeah, I don’t think that’s true. I think the love of corporations ,at least from the uneducated population comes from being conditioned to blame political parties for the erosion of the country instead of blaming the corporations themselves. Republicans have hit Democrats, rightly so, for neoliberal policies like NAFTA, and Democrats never reframed it to show that corporations were the ones abandoning inner cities and rural areas. Steel, coal, factories etc all of it left the North for the South or Mexico, and Democrats refused to call out corporate greed because, at the end of the day, they’re in love with their donors. Same thing with pensions. If Democrats actually ran on corporations eliminating pensions and how that gutted the middle class, low information voters would understand that predatory corporations are the ones they should be blaming for their decline in wealth. Instead, Democrats let Republicans frame everything as bad tax policy because they don’t want to upset donors.The United States has needed real reform since the 90s, and the Democratic Party refuses to run on that because they don’t want to offend the people funding them. Instead of blaming corporations for stripping trillions from the middle class, raising prices, and cutting programs, they’ve let those same corporations help drive us into $39 trillion of debt. And instead of pushing for tax reform that would actually help cities and states rebuild infrastructure and expand housing, they’ve let special interests dictate everything. Those national decisions helped fuel the population flight in Southern cities, that flight could’ve been eased with housing expansion and real infrastructure investment like high speed rail. Those Bill Clinton era neoliberals gave corporations a pass and opened the door for Republicans to blame Black people, gay people, Hispanics, hunchbacks wnd whoever, for job losses and lack of housing that were caused by corporate decisions in the first place.

“At least from the uneducated population” We all know highly educated people who stand with corporations who have removed jobs from America to increase their bottom line, used stock buybacks to increase their share price that these same people invest in, and EVEN IF THEY WANT THEM TO PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE in taxes will cheer on their quarterly reports and sales numbers. It wasn’t uneducated people getting addicted to Starbucks then “boycotting” them because they “stand” with whatever in the moment until they dropped a new Stanley cup or brought back their favorite drink. Love of corporations come from the lack of institutional trust that we used to place in other places. We love brands and what we believe they provide for us over what used to be the pride in our churches, our neighborhoods, our schools and our communities.

41% of people who voted with a college degree voted for Trump. 32% of people who voted with a post graduate degree voted for Trump. How many educated people didn’t go vote at all? Stop making excuses for people.

We know that Dems are poor on messaging. They always let Republicans frame stuff in a negative way, right? During the same time period the same time period you mention, when Dems were in charge you saw booming economic growth, better education systems, and more progress. Somehow, even with the same information you’ve laid out, we need the people who everyone wants to blame, doesn’t listen to, or don’t believe to explain the information on a level that everyone can understand without “making people feel dumb” or “making things where everyone can understand”. You know, instead of being an adult and making decisions based on facts. They have to be told corporations exist to serve shareholder value? What do they do with that info?

Just like you expect Michael Jordan to tell you he’s the GOAT every day while having access to his statistics, accolades, and footage of him playing. And if he doesn’t, then he can’t be the GOAT. And you don’t trust Michael Jordan, he’s biased. And you don’t like that a Celtics fan said he’s the GOAT. And ESPN keeps saying LeBron James is actually the GOAT. And LeBron said it too. And Maverick Carter did too. And Jordan Crawford never dunked on him. Or he did but it wasn’t in an NBA game.

It’s not Trump’s policies or actions that had someone want to kill Trump, you know like the manifesto said. Ask the media, it was because Dems challenge him. Of course you ask some people they don’t challenge him at all or not enough. Consistent mixed messaging means no one has to stand on solid ground. That’s how you get to the place where he could say anything and was joking but also tells it like it is. You can’t keep saying “Kamala lost on Gaza” when the other dude said he would blow it up. Or she was a bad candidate when she was facing an objectively worse candidate AND proved it in a debate. Or that the Biden economy was too slow in recovering from COVID when the dude running was the reason it tanked. Biden was old and so was Trump. Kamala “fukked her way to the top” but the rapist pedo was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. She put black people in jail but the other dude is a felon.

Low information voters don’t have an incentive to even be moderated informed because society makes excuses for them. We make excuses left and right. We don’t even ask “What’s the crime rate in your city under Dems? Do you make more than under Republicans? How do your kids do on standardized testing under the current school board?” We say “How do you feel about …….?” That’s how people end up voting against their own interests.

And the answer is usually molded by the cover that we give them and the information they allow themselves to take in and it’s typically “Dems are bad. Republicans are bad too BUT make me feel something” even from left leaning people.

We base too much on feelings and then we blame someone else so they don’t feel bad about being stupid. Just say the magic words. “White people, Latinos, and c00ns wanted this, they got this, they don’t like it and should be lucky some people actually want to stand in the way so they don’t suffer too badly.”

Ultimately, the Democrats can only do as much the people will allow them to do. That’s shut up, clean up republican messes and then be the minority party that they can manipulate into any position in social war.
 

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Trump was simply something different, a reform hope for many voters. He does have cultists, but those cultists aren’t why he won. People have genuinely been struggling as the country erodes, and they looked at the guy who threw everyone under the bus as a possible way out. It makes sense when you break it down like that. Plus, Democrats are too in love with donors and corporations, so they’re always on the back foot and end up sounding mush‑mouthed when defending anything. They generally rather let republicans frame their views instead of upsetting their donors in anyway possible

If this is true, why didn't most black voters support Trump?

I mean if you're looking strictly at economics, then we should have more economic anxiety than anybody.
 
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If this is true, why didn't most black voters support Trump?

I mean if you're looking strictly at economics, then we should have more economic anxiety than anybody.

Dude, you can’t ask questions like that. That would expose every flaw in the reasoning of why people voted for Trump.

Strong leader? Helsinki?
Great businessman? How many failed business?
Drain the swamp? Multiple times found to have defrauded people
Looks out for the little man? How many contractor lawsuits?
Stands up for what he believes in? Constant waffling to point they call it TACO

Remember when he had his mugshot as a campaign poster talking about “This will endear him to black voters because they see the system is attacking an innocent man” because we apparently love crime.

So just keep repeating this: Black people voted to stay on the Democrat Plantation versus people who want us back working on an actual plantation because they love welfare, DEI and government handouts.

Doesn’t matter if it’s true. So now that they got hoodwinked (again), we can’t dare pose a question that makes people feel stupid. We have to be stupid too. Then point the blame at Dems for being just as bad.
 

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:huhldup: that Deathsantis efficiency. guess Florida's officially carved


The gerrymandered maps don’t even scare me.

The fact the Republicans have trained their supporters that if they lose it’s because Dems cheated so even if those maps don’t work in their favor as presumed, they will toss it out and redraw the maps every year instead of…. our policies suck.
 
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