23-2...Its Roman's Yard Now Appreciation Thread

[Jmare007]

I'm now in the #ReignsGang because these lames hating just to hate.

They've been doing that the past 2 years breh

 

[SubZeroDegrees]

They've been doing that the past 2 years breh

I know that. It's corny as fukk.

 

[Beautiful Bobby Eatin]

Austin couldn't have a memorable match with Taker when both were in their primes brehs. Neither could Rock. Peak Hogan could because he was so over it would've been a dream match at Mania.

Aside from AJ and Cena there's no one on the roster that could've had a good match with this Taker. It's hard as fukk to have a good match when the crowd wont buy into anything your opponent is going to do and will be silent at every signature move and finisher he has, that's been Taker's problem since Wrestlemania 30....

Ill give you Rock but i remember Austin's match with Taker at Summerslam being pretty good. It got overshadowed by the ladder match and for good reason. But keep in mind that that was a summerslam match. This was Wrestlemania where you show out. Reigns hasnt done that since Lesnar.

This was Reigns chance to play to the crowd (he didnt have to turn to do that) and sell the drama of the match. He didnt excecute that well so im doubting his main event credentials.

I want Reigns to look LEGIT. Im sick of people booing him out of nerd anger and cheering him out of pity. Im sure everything he needs is there, somewhere. But it is not there now.

Tonight they have a chance to do something with him. Let's see what they do. But for now, he isnt that dude to me.

 

[TL15]

Ill give you Rock but i remember Austin's match with Taker at Summerslam being pretty good. It got overshadowed by the ladder match and for good reason. But keep in mind that that was a summerslam match. This was Wrestlemania where you show out. Reigns hasnt done that since Lesnar.

This was Reigns chance to play to the crowd (he didnt have to turn to do that) and sell the drama of the match. He didnt excecute that well so im doubting his main event credentials.

I want Reigns to look LEGIT. Im sick of people booing him out of nerd anger and cheering him out of pity. Im sure everything he needs is there, somewhere. But it is not there now.

Tonight they have a chance to do something with him. Let's see what they do. But for now, he isnt that dude to me.

I'm not a RR lover or hater...I don't get too passionate about breh... but you can't say he didn't sell last night...

Homie was flopping all around the ring when all Taker could do was throw punches and headbutts

He tried to play into the emotion of things in the beginning when he was "in awe" and at the end when he was saying "don't get up" and looked like he had regret.

You can't blame him for everything. I doubt he made the call to have the 4th of July fireworks after the match

 

[Jmare007]

Ill give you Rock but i remember Austin's match with Taker at Summerslam being pretty good. It got overshadowed by the ladder match and for good reason. But keep in mind that that was a summerslam match. This was Wrestlemania where you show out. Reigns hasnt done that since Lesnar.

This was Reigns chance to play to the crowd (he didnt have to turn to do that) and sell the drama of the match. He didnt excecute that well so im doubting his main event credentials.

I want Reigns to look LEGIT. Im sick of people booing him out of nerd anger and cheering him out of pity. Im sure everything he needs is there, somewhere. But it is not there now.

Tonight they have a chance to do something with him. Let's see what they do. But for now, he isnt that dude to me.

Meh. Reigns has shown time and time again he can have dope matches. He just got dealt shytty luck the last two Manias working with HHH and Taker, you need to be all time level great to make those matches worth a damn. I'm fine and don't fault Roman for not being on that level yet When he had a showcase against somebody who could actually do interesting shyt in the ring, like Brock, he delivered a classic.

Austin vs Taker at Summerslam was good but even they thought it was underwhelming for what they were going for. Now you think Austin could have a great match with a broken down Taker that forgets spots and fans don't react to any of this big moves? Nah breh, that's not happening. You need a genius like D-Bry or AJ to work around that, or a powerful and over guy like Cena to carry Taker's body (and sadly, make him bump like crazy) to make anyone care for a Taker match in the state that he was.

I'm not a RR lover or hater...I don't get too passionate about breh... but you can't say he didn't sell last night...

Homie was flopping all around the ring when all Taker could do was throw punches and headbutts

He tried to play into the emotion of things in the beginning when he was "in awe" and at the end when he was saying "don't get up" and looked like he had regret.

You can't blame him for everything. I doubt he made the call to have the 4th of July fireworks after the match

Agreed.

 

[Beautiful Bobby Eatin]

I'm not a RR lover or hater...I don't get too passionate about breh... but you can't say he didn't sell last night...

Homie was flopping all around the ring when all Taker could do was throw punches and headbutts

He tried to play into the emotion of things in the beginning when he was "in awe" and at the end when he was saying "don't get up" and looked like he had regret.

You can't blame him for everything. I doubt he made the call to have the 4th of July fireworks after the match

The fireworks were corny but they do that every year so that was fine to me.

Meh. Reigns has shown time and time again he can have dope matches. He just got dealt shytty luck the last two Manias working with HHH and Taker, you need to be all time level great to make those matches worth a damn. I'm fine and don't fault Roman for not being on that level yet When he had a showcase against somebody who could actually do interesting shyt in the ring, like Brock, he delivered a classic.

Austin vs Taker at Summerslam was good but even the thought it was underwhelming for what they were going for. Now you think Austin could have a great match with a broken down Taker that forgets spots and fans don't react to any of this big moves? Nah breh, that's not happening. You need a genius like D-Bry or AJ to work around that, or a powerful and over guy like Cena to carry Taker's body (and sadly, make him bump like crazy) to make anyone care for a Taker match in the state that he was.



Agreed.

Austin would have played to the crowd if things were going south in ring wise. Like I said, its all there but unless there is a superior worker in the ring with him things fall flat. Ive felt the same about HHH for years. I want to chalk this up to match production telling him to not play to the crowd much but i really felt like the match suffered because of it and ive given him a pass on the wait and see tip too long now. Taker should have never been in there to begin with, but Reigns didnt step up enough IMO.

 

[Golayitdown]

Facts. Dudes are too concerned about how other people feel about this guy. Thats why I respect @September fandom. She just likes dude and doesnt care what anyone else thinks.



That being said, match was BAD and while taker is to blame its not ALL his fault. A great worker would have made it memorable but Reigns lacks the in ring skills and charisma to do so. A main event talent (Rock, Austin, Michaels, Cena, Hogan) would have made that memorable.

The only guy on that list who has an all time memorable matches with Taker (2) is Michaels. And that was when Taker was in much much much better physical condition.

What could anybody have done differently to make the match memorable when Taker was gone in the first 3 minutes? Besides facial expressions and heeling up more, there's not much Roman could have did more, especially with his power moveset.

As pretty much anybody who's a Roman fan (or sympathizer) will tell you that he's consistently able to handle his 50% of the match and get a good match with a comparable or better worker. Classics on classics? No, cause he's not an AJ (who can handle 85-90% of the match) level elite worker. Last night he was in the 70% range but Taker was so washed that it wasn't gonna help. Taker was missing shots, botching key spots and moving at a snail's pace and Roman was still selling like he was in there with Brock.

 

[Bootzilla]

Wresling forum cacs gonna be like

 

[Beautiful Bobby Eatin]

The only guy on that list who has an all time memorable matches with Taker (2) is Michaels. And that was when Taker was in much much much better physical condition.

What could anybody have done differently to make the match memorable when Taker was gone in the first 3 minutes? Besides facial expressions and heeling up more, there's not much Roman could have did more, especially with his power moveset.

As pretty much anybody who's a Roman fan (or sympathizer) will tell you that he's consistently able to handle his 50% of the match and get a good match with a comparable or better worker. Classics on classics? No, cause he's not an AJ (who can handle 85-90% of the match) level elite worker. Last night he was in the 70% range but Taker was so washed that it wasn't gonna help. Taker was missing shots, botching key spots and moving at a snail's pace and Roman was still selling like he was in there with Brock.

But thats my point he isnt a ring technician which is fine but he also isnt much of a character. So why should I as a viewer be invested in him at this point? He doesnt totally hit on any metric. Thats why it comes off so forced.

 

[TL15]

The fireworks were corny but they do that every year so that was fine to me.

Austin would have played to the crowd if things were going south in ring wise. Like I said, its all there but unless there is a superior worker in the ring with him things fall flat. Ive felt the same about HHH for years. I want to chalk this up to match production telling him to not play to the crowd much but i really felt like the match suffered because of it and ive given him a pass on the wait and see tip too long now. Taker should have never been in there to begin with, but Reigns didnt step up enough IMO.

I mean I feel you but "Reigns didn't step up enough" is the same kind of argument you seem to be against when you say "you're tired of people booing him just to boo him"

TBH... I don't think anyone on the roster could have given Taker a better match (maybe Rusev or Cesaro honestly would be about an even match with Taker as RR)

KO, AJ, Rollins, Jericho (exception) are too small to make anything really believable
Strowman is strong but too green to make it look like he isn't just "faking" any offense Taker gets off

Undertaker is in his 50s and looks every minute of his age. That match had more than too many "rest points" and it wasn't because Reigns is out of shape.

The match had more than too many "strikes" and it wasn't because Reigns can't perform suplexes...

The two terrible botches came from Undertaker needing to have Reigns on the second rope for an AWFUL last ride attempt, and Undertaker sandbagging Reigns on the tombstone flip attempt because he can't lift his own body or tighten his core enough to assist RR. Without those limitations it would have been a fine match (not incredible but a fine match for two men of their size)

Of course we are all entitled to our opinion, but there is only so much you can do when you are working with a 6'10'' man who is barely capable of running, let alone wrestling a coherent match.

And I love taker but any fault for the match itself is on him

I get that if we don't like Reigns the character or how he is booked, but between the ropes I think it's a fallacy to say he could've "done more" with what he was given last night.

 

[Golayitdown]

But thats my point he isnt a ring technician which is fine but he also isnt much of a character. So why should I as a viewer be invested in him at this point? He doesnt totally hit on any metric. Thats why it comes off so forced.

Don't disagree with any of that. Only addressing the match itself. Anyone expecting a good match after seeing Taker buckle trying to hit his moves on Raw, or after seeing him not even being able to lift Roman for an assiseted last ride off the ropes during the match was going to be in for disappointment.

 

[Nero Christ]

Y'all really expect anyone to carry a 300 pound dummy to a match lol

I know one man who would have

 

[The Prince of All Saiyans]

you've all earned negs

 

[Jmare007]

Austin would have played to the crowd if things were going south in ring wise. Like I said, its all there but unless there is a superior worker in the ring with him things fall flat. Ive felt the same about HHH for years. I want to chalk this up to match production telling him to not play to the crowd much but i really felt like the match suffered because of it and ive given him a pass on the wait and see tip too long now. Taker should have never been in there to begin with, but Reigns didnt step up enough IMO.

Agree to disagree on Austin breh, I honestly don't see much of a difference in the quality of the match with a couple of more boos from playing to the crowd. I don't think more heel work would've engaged the crowd more than what Reigns did. I mean, they were pulling for Taker and chanting for him in the end before he got slaughtered, it was never special or dramatic but I don't think it would've been much better if someone played to the fans.

I think you are being too hard on Reigns in this particular match. Like, I didn't read you being down on Okada for having a "just there" match with broken down Tenryu, and at least the crowd reacted to Tenryus grumpiness and signature moves. Imagine that match with fans going to everything he does and were just waiting for more finishers.

 

[illwittdeez]

fukk Reigns..... Yeah I said it.