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[Yoda]

If you "look black" you can't deny your blackness feel me. Now if you're some big pun/fat joe looking half black/half latin dude you can get away with denying your blackness because you look more "latin".

trust me i know someone.

 

[KyokushinKarateMan]

Its a fact aids infested booty warrior Jamaicans love telling this lie.

http://jablogz.com/2012/09/would-hip-hop-exist-without-jamaica/

http://hiphophistory.indiegroup.com/

"In 1967 to South Bronx came Clive Campbell from Jamaica, who was labeled Kool Herc. He is considered to be one of the founders of hip-hop. Kool Herc became that, what later became known as "DJ". In Jamaica, the DJ was a "master" of the music system, which evolved around the lives of youth. He arranged parties, made an interesting speech-feast into the microphone. Soon he became known as MC ( "master of ceremony") - he gathered music plates, played and announced them. And when a DJ, besides making music, announced some rythmic text it became known as the word "rap".



































































































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[ISO]

"im young, im fly, im black, im rich/ i let my nuts sag, i drag my dikk, ya dig" - Juelz

They look black, sound black and have stated they're black that's why none of them have been pigeonholed as "latin rappers"



So to me they are black.

So you can't be black Dominican? To be Dominican you gotta look like JuJu from the Beatnuts? Breh, Fab already said his pops is Dominican and Juelz moms is Dominican. Thing is that culturally they gravitate towards their black, they don't really embrace the Latin side that don't make them not Dominican.

Forgot about Noreaga, Lloyd Banks half Puerto Rican too.

 

[Lewis Black]

trust me i know someone.

You obviously can deny it if you want lol but what I mean is people will still see you as "black" if you look "black"

http://jablogz.com/2012/09/would-hip-hop-exist-without-jamaica/

http://hiphophistory.indiegroup.com/

"In 1967 to South Bronx came Clive Campbell from Jamaica, who was labeled Kool Herc. He is considered to be one of the founders of hip-hop. Kool Herc became that, what later became known as "DJ". In Jamaica, the DJ was a "master" of the music system, which evolved around the lives of youth. He arranged parties, made an interesting speech-feast into the microphone. Soon he became known as MC ( "master of ceremony") - he gathered music plates, played and announced them. And when a DJ, besides making m

Yeah one of the founders, not the founder, hip hop has lot to thank jamaica for doe.

 

[Lewis Black]

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So you can't be black Dominican? To be Dominican you gotta look like JuJu from the Beatnuts? Breh, Fab already said his pops is Dominican and Juelz moms is Dominican. Thing is that culturally they gravitate towards their black, they don't really embrace the Latin side that don't make them not Dominican.

Forgot about Noreaga, Lloyd Banks half Puerto Rican too.

You're right I was wrong

but im 100% sure op is talking about the more latin looking hispanic people.

The black ones look like us black people so we don't notce them "invading"

 

[Poitier]

http://jablogz.com/2012/09/would-hip-hop-exist-without-jamaica/

http://hiphophistory.indiegroup.com/

"In 1967 to South Bronx came Clive Campbell from Jamaica, who was labeled Kool Herc. He is considered to be one of the founders of hip-hop. Kool Herc became that, what later became known as "DJ". In Jamaica, the DJ was a "master" of the music system, which evolved around the lives of youth. He arranged parties, made an interesting speech-feast into the microphone. Soon he became known as MC ( "master of ceremony") - he gathered music plates, played and announced them. And when a DJ, besides making music, announced some rythmic text it became known as the word "rap".


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Kool Herc: “Jamaican toasting? Naw, naw. No connection there. I couldn’t play reggae in the Bronx. People wouldn’t accept it. The inspiration for rap is James Brown and the album Hustler’s Convention.”

 

[Poitier]

A couple of interesting posts from Rahiem of Grandmaster Flash & The Furious 5, who came up in the Herc scene..

"I'm Rahiem of Grandmaster Flash & The Furious 5 and the minister of information of the Zulu nation is a clown and so is ANYONE else if after 40 years of Hip-hop culture and agreeing that DJ Kool Herc is the father of Hip-hop so why would that have changed after 40 years? I used to be in Bronx river when the Zulu nation began and the Zulu nation began in 1977-78 and Kool Herc began in 1973 so do the math and the Zulu nation were still the Black Spades during the "Blackout" of 1977 and shortly afterwards became the Bronx river organization and then the Zulu nation and honestly the people who are considered to be forefathers of the Hip-hop culture actually changed the game by adding to it and Everyone who was truly there you knew who did what and we know who set trends or brought something to the game to change it and Bambaataa and the Zulu nation didn't change the game! Grandmaster Flash Changed the game!!!!! Kool Herc is the genesis of the game and Bambaataa added what? More beats? STOP IT!!!!!!!!"

^^It's well known Herc is before Baambatta and Flash.


Now here is his take on how rapping started...

"Dancers that did a dance called the B-boying or that danced to Boioing music came directly from Kool Herc parties. Kool Herc's emcees didn't rhyme to the beat but they said catchy phrases that were adopted by emcees who expounded on what they were doing after Herc's emcees and then when emcees heard DJ Hollywood is when they began rhyming to the beat!"

Again, confirms everything I've said the whole time. Disco Dj's are the ones who started that syncopated rhyming (rapping) style. Totally different flavor from what Jamaican toasters/deejays were doing like U-Roy and the examples I gave earlier in the thread. Numerous people from the Herc scene acknowledge that there was no rapping in the Herc scene before like 1976 and that all Herc and his boys did was basically freelance shout outs.

AllHipHop News) There has been a lot of fanfare over the past week in celebration of what has been reported as the 40th anniversary of the birth of Hip Hop.
DJ Kool Herc is one originator that has become almost synonymous with the creation of the culture, but Quadeer “M.C. Spice” Shakur of the Universal Zulu Nation released a statement announcing that Hip Hop did not begin with Herc’s famous party at 1520 Sedgewick Avenue in the Bronx on August 11, 1973.

According to Shakur, Herc is a founding father of Hip-Hop, but he has been misrepresenting his role in the founding of Hip Hop on various news outlets.

The Zulu Nation Minister of Information also states that Kool Herc has asked his name not be included in any Zulu Nation Hip Hop Culture anniversary flyers several of years ago.


In portions of his statement titled “MISREPRESENTATION OF A CULTURE BY A FOREFATHER”, Shakur writes:

Herc is our brother, but when our family strays from us, we must first forgive them for mistakes, but let them know of their wrongdoings, and of course, welcome them back with open arms. We could go on forever about how many artists who are heavily a part of, or were a part of the Universal Zulu Nation, know and understand how serious this is. By no means should ANY of us attempt to change the course of history and flip it for a dollar or for accolades from an industry of Culture Vultures called “the media”, when we have known and still do know that many in the media want the false, doctored-up UN-truths, not the REAL truth. Especially when it comes to Hip-Hop. What is further disturbing is the falsehood that Kool Herc failed to respect the TRUE first ladies of Hip-Hop: ShaRock, Lisa Lee, Debbie Dee, Queen Amber. The women who were there ON THE MIC representing this Culture. Kool Herc went as far as saying his SISTER is the “first lady of Hip-Hop”. Kool Herc’s sister is also his marketing rep, and is part of promoting the falsehood that she (Cindy) is the “First Lady” of Hip-Hop. That’s NOT TRUE.

Kool Herc, aka Clive Campbell DID NOT BIRTH HIP-HOP CULTURE 40 YEARS AGO ON AUGUST 11, 1973. In fact, Kool Herc only did a Back To School JAM in the recreation room at 1520 Sedgewick Avenue in the Bronx. No emcees were present, no “Hip-Hop” was present (a term heavily used by LoveBug Starski and Keith Cowboy), and the Zulu Nation was already in effect. THIS is the reason for this message. Please get a pen and write this down, or go stand near the chalkboard and write this one hundred times to make SURE you remember: HIP-HOP CULTURE IS 39 YEARS OLD…ZULU NATION IS 40 YEARS OLD.

Some may say there’s no difference, and it’s only a year. But truth is, Kool Herc appears to be working with outside forces to overstep and outshine what is taking place THIS November 12th: The 40th Anniversary of the Universal Zulu Nation. Do you know how big that really is? How dangerous that really is? That so many brothers and sisters of the same accord have been together THIS strong for THIS long?

To be forthcoming about the FACTS concerning this message, we MUST inform those who are a part of this Culture that Universal Zulu Nation does NOT condone falsehoods with respects to this Culture of ours. Kool Herc may have done PARTIES, but a PARTY does NOT represent a MOVEMENT. Nor does a PARTY CREATE a movement. But the CULTURE of Hip-Hop CREATED a MOVEMENT and REPRESENTS a movement. Zulu represents and always WILL represent the four spiritual PRINCIPLES of The Culture: Peace, Unity, Love and Having Fun. We also promoted and rocked parties UTILIZING the five physical ELEMENTS of the Culture: Deejaying, Graffitti, Breakdancing, Emceeing and KNOWLEDGE. I would hope that Herc would adhere to the KNOWLEDGE of our Culture and refrain form the misrepresentation and falsehoods. This message is to inform you that there is NO TRUTH to what you have been hearing about Kool Herc and Hip-Hop having a 40th anniversary. Maybe Kool HERC was deejaying for 40 years. Maybe so. But Kool Herc has nothing to do with the TERM “Hip-Hop”. It was a Culture he was INVITED to once our founder Afrika Bambaataa FOUNDED the Culture USING the term. That said, I would venture to say that perhaps Kool Herc’s SOUND system , “The Herculords” is 40 years old, but not Hip-Hop. Give it another year, Herc. And give it a rest. We love you, but we MUST correct you, brother. Happy 39th birthday, Hip-Hop. Happy 40th Birthday, Zulu Nation.

http://allhiphop.com/2013/08/20/zul...t-hip-hop-and-is-misrepresenting-the-culture/

 

[Poitier]

@KyokushinKarateka

 

[KyokushinKarateMan]

@KyokushinKarateka

Very interesting shyt!

In conclusion, though, I think it's safe to say that Kool Herc had some American influence in his starting of rap music.. but that's not enough to say he didn't start it.
None of that "influenced by James Brown" mess has anything to do with who started rap music.

A Jamaican started it, end of story.

 

[Poitier]

Jamaicans trying to cling to Black American culture so bad

Reggae and dancehall

 

[KyokushinKarateMan]

Jamaicans trying to cling to Black American culture so bad

Reggae and dancehall

 

[#1 pick]

dont talk bout my people like dat fakkit

fukk you and your ppl. Support black businesses if you don't want me to call you a bytch boy. We go to Mexican joints. Spend our cash with eses. fukk with us, we fukk with you. Money talks motherfukka.

 

[Original Vito Spatafore]

big difference between Puerto Ricans/Dominicans and Mexicans
latino rappers aren't really that common anyway, when you think about it

 

[Crakface]

You're wrong. Hip Hop isn't black music. It's minority music. I only have a small problem with white rappers. I got Rican friends who grew up on the same blocks that I did, got fukked with by cops the same way I did. I call it minority music.

But its black music so this shyt sounds dumb.

 

[Original Vito Spatafore]

It's funny...
Where I grew up (middle of the country) It was whites & blacks basically. All I knew about Hispanics was that ugly ass music Mexicans listen too. I didn't care for em. But then I moved to Cali and nikka... they DEEP out hurr. I still don't really feel for em, but I've learned that we (blacks & hispanics) are closely related and I think they adopt our culture so much because of this, most of us just are ignorant to the fact. I want to embrace them but it's difficult. Teamwork make the dream work though so there is hope

what do you mean closely related?