3,000 Interns Are Suing Warner Music Group for Alleged Illegitimate Internship Practices

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I think they about to lose this joint. They had this same case in NYC about 2 years ago, but it was for the magazine/journalism field and I think the girl won if I remember :lupe:

I kinda understand, because when you have to prove to your school what work you did, you can't put "Got coffee, ran errands, etc". and expect to get a credit. The whole way the entertainment industry does internships relies on a lot of forgery and lies when it comes to the write ups and documentation that students are supposed to show their schools to get a passing grade. It was only a matter of time before it got to the music industry too after hitting magazines/journalism. :yeshrug:

It is also a problem, because not paying interns creates an environment where internships are given out based on elitism. A poorer kid may have talent and may be a very good fit for an internship, but they will never be able to afford to stay in NYC or LA for a whole 3 month summer without pay so they can never take that opportunity. That would be madness. Basically it's creating a "Who can pay the most for this internship?" kinda deal, rather than, who is the best fit.

I could see if the company actually had them doing real work, but they are basically "employing" a personal assistant, not an intern, when you have the student doing non-work related tasks.
 

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yeah the whole "all an intern does is get coffee etc" shyt is really outdated...it's all about what was written in the job descriptions but companies are relying on interns more and more these days to actually contribute valuable work. I think all interns should at least be paid something for their time but that's a whole other argument

could see Warner taking an L here
 

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The No-Limits Job
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Deidre Schoo for The New York Times
For her long days, Casey McIntyre, 28, a book publicist, relies on “large coffees.”


By TEDDY WAYNE Published: March 1, 2013


Deidre Schoo for The New York Times


Ross Perlin, 29, author of “Intern Nation,” said having many jobs in your 20s takes a personal toll.


Nathan Weber for The New York Times


Lucy Schiller, 24, had multiple internships before moving back in with her parents in Urbana, Ill.


Every generation has its own anthem of making the journey from youthful naïveté to adult reality, whether it’s Neil Young’s “Old Man,” Nirvana’s “Smells Like Teen Spirit” or most recently, perhaps, the Taylor Swift song “22.”

“Tonight’s the night when we forget about the deadlines,” it goes. “It feels like one of those nights, we won’t be sleeping.”

If only it were as easy for Ms. Swift’s less affluent contemporaries to blow off their deadlines as it is for the singer-songwriter (now a slightly more seasoned 23). Sleepless nights are more likely because they are on the clock, not at the club.

“If I’m not at the office, I’m always on my BlackBerry,” said Casey McIntyre, 28, a book publicist in New York. “I never feel like I’m totally checked out of work.”

Ms. McIntyre is just one 20-something — a population historically exploitable as cheap labor — learning that long hours and low pay go hand in hand in the creative class. The recession has been no friend to entry-level positions, where hundreds of applicants vie for unpaid internships at which they are expected to be on call with iPhone in hand, tweeting for and representing their company at all hours.

“We need to hire a 22-22-22,” one new-media manager was overheard saying recently, meaning a 22-year-old willing to work 22-hour days for $22,000 a year. Perhaps the middle figure is an exaggeration, but its bookends certainly aren’t. According to a 2011 Pew report, the median net worth for householders under 35 dropped by 68 percent from 1984 to 2009, to $3,662. Lest you think that’s a mere side effect of the economic downturn, for those over 65, it rose 42 percent to $170,494 (largely because of an overall gain in property values). Hence 1.2 million more 25-to-34-year-olds lived with their parents in 2011 than did four years earlier.

The young are logging hours, too. In 2011, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, full-time workers ages 20 to 24 put in just 2.1 fewer hours a week than those 25 and over. That’s not a big gap of leisure for the ostensibly freewheeling time in one’s life. Or, to quote Lena Dunham’s 24-year-old aspiring writer in “Girls,”
“I am busy trying to become who I am.”" target="_blank">“I am busy trying to become who I am.”

A recent posting by Dalkey Archive Press, an avant-garde publisher in Champaign, Ill., for unpaid interns in its London office encapsulated the outlandish demands on young workers. The stern catalog of grounds for “immediate dismissal” included “coming in late or leaving early without prior permission,” “being unavailable at night or on the weekends” and “failing to respond to e-mails in a timely way.” And “The Steve Wilkos Show” on NBCUniversal recently advertised on Craigslist for a freelance booking production assistant who would work “65+ hours per week” (the listing was later removed after drawing outraged comments when it was linked on jimromenesko.com).

“The notion of the traditional entry-level job is disappearing,” said Ross Perlin, 29, the author of “Intern Nation: How to Earn Nothing and Learn Little in the Brave New Economy.” Internships have replaced them, he said, “but also fellowships and nebulous titles that sound prestigious and pay a stipend, which means you’re only coming out with $15,000 a year.”

Once a short-term commitment at most, internships have become an obligatory rite of passage that often drags on for years.

“Particularly in some rock-star professions — film and TV and publishing and media — companies are pushing the envelope to see how much they can get out of young people for how low a stipend or salary,” Mr. Perlin said. “And people are desperate enough to break in to do it.”

That’s what Katherine Myers, 27, found when she graduated from college in 2008. After months of searching, she landed a position as a development coordinator at a cable channel in New York.

“I was willing to put up with anything,” she said. “I never took a lunch, I came in early, I worked late.”

Still, her experience was more pleasant than that of two of her friends who successively worked for a major film producer.

“Last year, we threw a surprise birthday party for one, and he had to miss it because his boss called him in to come to a screening,” she said. “For a year we never saw him. He’d get up at 5, be there till 1 a.m., fall asleep at work.”

The other friend left for law school after four months.

“I think she thought it made no sense,” Ms. Myers said. “You have to have a feeling that you’re doing something good for the world, and that’s hard to come up with in some jobs. If you’re a doctor or lawyer, or even in finance, you can justify it. But if you’re in fashion, it’s like, ‘Oh, boy, who cares?’ ”

But Ms. Myers, now in a higher-ranking position at the Web site CollegeHumor, is committed to her field, as is Cathy Pitoun, 25. Two years ago, as a production assistant at a Culver City, Calif., company that cuts movie trailers, Ms. Pitoun earned $10 an hour with no benefits (though an overtime bonus), with rotating weekend work. After six months she was promoted to a position “where one dropped ball could get you fired,” she noted, and a raise to $12 an hour with benefits. She estimated that she worked at least 60 hours a week.

“There were days where I stayed until 4 a.m. just to send out one TV spot to one client in Japan and then had to come in 4 hours later for a whole new day,” Ms. Pitoun said. “And days where I had to be at work at 5 a.m. to do voice-over sessions with actors in Europe to make up for the time change and still stay until 9 at night.”

Her investment, like Ms. Myers’s, paid off: she’s now the assistant to the chief executive, though she knows that the path to producing, her long-term goal, “will get worse before it gets better,” she said.

Ms. Pitoun’s job surely would have been less demanding in the pre-Internet and smartphone age. If she ever turned off her phone for a few hours, her in-box would be flooded with e-mails or missed calls and texts.

“I had to be reachable 100 percent of the time on an on-call weekend,” she said, “so I would usually use those weekends to do chores around my apartment and wait for the phone to ring.”

The assignment could be as small as coming in to send one e-mail and as onerous as digitizing footage for 15 hours.

Ms. McIntyre, the book publicist, estimated that she receives 300 to 400 e-mails a day and tries to answer at least 80 percent. How does she summon the energy for this incessant typing, not to mention 16-hour days traveling with authors on tour?

“I have coffee before I leave the house, there’s a Dunkin’ Donuts conveniently in the subway station when I get off, and I get another coffee during the day,” she said. “And they’re large coffees.”

Complicating matters is the fact that it is not yet known how to quantify or define digital work. Forget e-mail.

“Is a tweet labor? Is a Facebook post labor?” Mr. Perlin, the author, asked.

Ironically, millennials, to whom the burden of monitoring late-night social media or e-mail frequently falls, may be underestimating the value of such work. Their habits of consuming culture free of charge on the Internet, he suggested, have “carried over into the world of work, so they’re more willing to accept barter or in-kind payment,” like free lunches. And their primary payment is building “cultural capital,” as opposed to “capital capital.”

In these “rock star” professions, too, notably in the business-casual Silicon Valley, many companies “have tried to break down the homogenizing nightmare of the 1950s,” Mr. Perlin said, replacing cubicles with foosball tables and other dorm-room accouterments to entice employees to stay late bonding with colleagues.

“But we’ve got something more sinister now,” he said. “People are working much more and are convinced to invest themselves body and soul. It tries to make you lose your sense of your workplace versus home: who are your co-workers and who are your friends?”

Children of helicopter parents who have been overscheduled since nursery school might find it especially hard to set professional limits. As part of the generation “that’s been taught to engage in labors of love,” Mr. Perlin said, “it’s led us into these fields, and secondly, it’s encouraged us to knock down that boundary between life and work in the traditional artist mode.”

“You can’t get a job by saying, ‘I just want a job,’ ” he said. “Your heart has to be supposedly in it, and you have to demonstrate that by staying as late as you’re supposed to stay or responding to e-mails at 11 p.m.”

This commitment is what Lucy Schiller, 24, demonstrated over two years in Denver and San Francisco, yet nothing panned out. Ms. Schiller falls into Mr. Perlin’s category of a “serial intern.” While working the 4:45 a.m. to 3 p.m. shift four days a week for minimum wage at a cafe (where her manager would take half her tips in front of her), she interned, usually for no pay, at five artistic and cultural institutions as she juggled side projects.

They were never lucrative; at one Web site “there was the possibility of being paid $3 per article, but that never materialized,” she said. Her 70 hours of work a week netted her about $500.

On her last day at one job, her 75-year-old supervisor asked her to help move some heavy things in her house. In her garage, the supervisor opened a door from which issued a blinding stream of light.

“It was a huge room filled with her own field of marijuana plants,” Ms. Schiller said. “She conscripted me for no pay to harvest it overnight. She makes $35,000 per crop and it goes straight to her retirement account.”

The intern’s payment the next morning: a breakfast burrito.

At her other positions, Ms. Schiller said, she worked “extremely hard and wrote a lot, and it pays off in some way, but the fact is, it doesn’t pay off in the immediate sense.” Her parents, initially excited at her prospects, grew worried with each additional internship, a cycle she feared was portraying her “as wishy-washy or not viable for paid labor.” In January, she moved back home to Urbana, Ill., to save money and apply for jobs — presumably not at nearby Dalkey Archive Press.

Mr. Perlin pointed out that “some studies show that people in their 20s work eight or nine jobs in that period, which economists see as a good thing, but they aren’t looking at the stress and personal toll it takes.”

Ms. Myers’s parents, too, “appreciate and encourage me, but they’re baffled by” her career in entertainment, she said.

“They don’t think that I’m on a track,” she said. “They think there’s no point unless you’re making money.

“It’s a legit question,” she continued. “I’m going to turn 30 in the next few years, and it’s hard to be young and feel like the gap is so big between my station in this industry and others who are doing so well in it. To get up every morning, I have to think that I’ll be one of those people. But I happen to be a delusionally positive person.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/fashion/for-20-somethings-ambition-at-a-cost.html?hp
 

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I think they about to lose this joint. They had this same case in NYC about 2 years ago, but it was for the magazine/journalism field and I think the girl won if I remember :lupe:

I kinda understand, because when you have to prove to your school what work you did, you can't put "Got coffee, ran errands, etc". and expect to get a credit. The whole way the entertainment industry does internships relies on a lot of forgery and lies when it comes to the write ups and documentation that students are supposed to show their schools to get a passing grade. It was only a matter of time before it got to the music industry too after hitting magazines/journalism. :yeshrug:

It is also a problem, because not paying interns creates an environment where internships are given out based on elitism. A poorer kid may have talent and may be a very good fit for an internship, but they will never be able to afford to stay in NYC or LA for a whole 3 month summer without pay so they can never take that opportunity. That would be madness. Basically it's creating a "Who can pay the most for this internship?" kinda deal, rather than, who is the best fit.

I could see if the company actually had them doing real work, but they are basically "employing" a personal assistant, not an intern, when you have the student doing non-work related tasks.
hit the nail on the head...especially with the elitist comment. My brother has had to turn down quite a few internships in LA for that very same reason. We're now working on a venture that aims to trump the record industry as we know it
 

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What the fukk did these interns think they were going to do? I hate the corporate hand in music just as much as anybody else but this is bullshyt. If you're an intern you're gonna get dogged out. It's a tradition. That's why you're an intern not an employee.

Whatever their tasks were, you have to pay them minimum wage if it's in the terms of the agreement.
 

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Honestly, I think it lies in the "entitlement" attitude that a lot of the younger generation has. No one wants to pay dues, and the "intern/gopher" is tradition. If you're an intern what do you expect you're going to do? Most are there for 2-3 months, so how much experience do you think you're going to receive in that time span? You're supposed to be forging relationships, and watching the pros do it. You're gonna learn something. How much time do you really think it takes to answer the phone or send an email? And even those tasks are preparing you for that next level of professionalism in your field. Watch, takes notes, ask questions and build relationships.

Now with all of that said, I do believe that internships are for the late HS-to-college-age demographic. I know every situation is different, but you shouldn't be an intern at 24-28, especially if you're trying to support yourself. In those situations, I do believe you're being taken advantage of, but by that time, you should know better. That's why they can get away with it. If that is the route you want to take, get a job and find another way in your respective field.
 
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