39 years ago today (August 11, 1973)...

[planD]

Good shyt, salutes

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

If the Golden Gate Quartet are originally from Va then thats where rap where was born. VA stand up!!!

from wiki

The group was founded as the Golden Gate Jubilee Singers in 1934, by four students at the Booker T. Washington College in Norfolk, Virginia. According to the group's website,[1] the original members were Willie Johnson (baritone; d. 1980), William Langford (tenor; d. 1970), Henry Owens (second tenor; d. 1970) and Orlandus Wilson (bass; 1917-1998); other sources state that Langford and Wilson replaced earlier members Robert "Peg" Ford and A.C. "Eddie" Griffin in 1935.

Norfolk produced early rap and Pernell Whitaker

 

[Da Rhythm Rebel]

yeah...Hollywood has a right to be somewhat bitter over the fact that his contributions have largely been ignored by the media and so-called hip hop purisits...but all the old school pionners incuding cats like Kurtis Blow acknowledge Hollywood's value

the problem was the fact that the so-called hip hop purists along with cats like KRS ONE didn't fukk with the downtown "jam" scene, it was scene as kinda bourgeise , and the feelings were mutual the downtown crowd looked at the Uptown kids as a bunch of broke ass uncivlized partygoers....

so it was a "class" thing as well..while Herc was charging 25 cents to enter his "basement parties"....cats like Hollywood , Eddie Cheeba and Pete Jones was getting 500 to a thousand dollars a gig to play at clubs like Smalls Paradise and 371 where u had to "dress to impress"...even though they basically played the same type of music which were basically james brown selections along with other funk proto-disco type records.....

in fact Eddie Cheeba commented on the difference between the two movements (uptown, downtown) in this interview with Davy D entitled the "DISCO SIDE OF HIP HOP":

DJ Eddie Cheeba & DJ Hollywood-The Disco Side of Hip Hop « Davey D's Hip Hop Corner-(The Blog)

“Kool Herc and them played in the park. We were blessed to be able to play in clubs,” Eddie says to me. “If you think about it anybody could play in a park; little kids were in the park. There was no money playing in parks. Either the cops was coming to tell you to turn it down or they were gonna unplug you from the light pole or there was gonna be a shootout or something. I played in clubs where people drank champagne and came to have fun. Besides, the park was dangerous”, Eddie says to me while looking from side to side. “You got five niccas over there drinkin’ talkin’ ’bout phukking’ you up. Would you wanna be there?"

so it is quite obvious that HIP HOP has it's orgin in not only the parks but the CLUBS as well...........so all the talk of hip hop being such a hardcore street movement serves as only a half truth....it's also a "dance culture" built on aesthetics as well.....so in this case "BALLING" and "STUNTING" is a fundemental part of hip hop also...

also keep in mind that the video for SUGAR HILL GANG's "RAPPER DELIGHT" was shot in a DISCO!!! Sugarhill Gang - Rapper's Delight (Video) - YouTube


So basically the HIP HOP PURISTS have our history all twisted up with this false romantic ideal of hip hop being this hardcore conscious street movement......

which is so far from the truth

It's funny you bring this up because (some) of what I know about these early days and how hip-hop and disco are intertwined go to the fashion. Like a lot of the early groups like Soul Sonic Force, and Furious Five dressed in the 'crazy' outfits, Native American gear, etc. cuz they were competing with funk and disco groups at the time that were dressing that way, and having their records spun in the club.

and from what i'm told, it's why it was so shocking - almost liberating in a way - when Run DMC came out wearing all black leather, the hats, and Adidas cuz they literally bucked that trend in terms of fashion sense, and while they may not have been the first group to not don the wild outfits and such, they became the biggest at the time to not adhere to the fashion trend at the time.

and the rest as they say is history

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

It's funny you bring this up because (some) of what I know about these early days and how hip-hop and disco are intertwined go to the fashion. Like a lot of the early groups like Soul Sonic Force, and Furious Five dressed in the 'crazy' outfits, Native American gear, etc. cuz they were competing with funk and disco groups at the time that were dressing that way, and having their records spun in the club.

and from what i'm told, it's why it was so shocking - almost liberating in a way - when Run DMC came out wearing all black leather, the hats, and Adidas cuz they literally bucked that trend in terms of fashion sense, and while they may not have been the first group to not don the wild outfits and such, they became the biggest at the time to not adhere to the fashion trend at the time.

and the rest as they say is history

Exactly....when RUN DMC came on the scene , you witnessed the changing of the guard

not only from a fashion and audio perspective..but also the fact that RUN DMC wasn't associated with the Uptown or Downtown scenes of the BX and Manhatten...they came straight outta queens, so thier take on things was a little more different for lack of a better term...

now as far as the "true school guys" of the 70's....this was a challenge to the way they did things..

that's because the pioneers such as Flash, Bambatta and Cold Crush along with Hollywood and Pete Jones had no rappers or artists to look up to other than the funk and r&b and rock bands such as the FATBACK BAND, the JB's...MANDRILL..PARLIMENT FUNKEDELIC and even LED ZEPPLIN whose breaks were spun by many of these deejays...

all that changed when Russell Simmons and the whole RUSH MOVEMENT came along with the idea that they could be just as big if not BIGGER than these acts, and still not comprimise thier hip hop sound....

because at the time ...urban contemporary radio aka BLACK RADIO still hated on RAP MUSIC....unless it was diluted with some funk and r&b elements..which explains the main reason RAPPERS DELIGHT got airplay simply because it was like a cover of the funk band CHIC's "GOOD TIMES".....

but RUN DMC changed the game...by coming with a sound that was very unique and original , with industrial like sounds and hard vocals, which created a buzz in the streets that the media outlets and record labels could not ignore...

Run Dmc always bragged about "rocking without a band" signifying thier loyalty to the craftsmenship of the DEEJAY ...(rip JMJ)....

Remember the video "KING OF ROCK" ...and they stepped on Michael Jackson's glove....that wasn't meant to be personal , it's just the fact that RUSH and RUN DMC felt that they could BATTLE on a bigger scale since they knew they were breaking down the doors of MTV and radio at the time, when rap was still looked at as gimmicky....

LL COOL J went even further in "ROCK THE BELLS" by saying:

"Why do you like COOL J??... cause it AIN'T ROCK AND ROLL..this ain't the GLORY DAYS OF BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN..i'm NOT A VIRGIN ..so i know I'LL MAKE MADONNA SCREAM!"


Basically they were making a statement!!!

RUN DMC along with that whole RUSH/DEF JAM movement revolutionized the visuals associated with early hip hop, they rocked Lee Jeans, cazel glasses and sneakers.....

it just didn't happen by coincedence as DMC stated in this interview the thought process that went into it:

"When we came onto the music scene," McDaniels says, "a lot of the other rappers were using, what? Funk. R&B. We said, 'If we use the rock guitar edge, it's a little harder than disco. If we could put that hard sound with this rough attitude, we're bound to get some attention.' So the rock 'n' roll edge, having a rock guitar, was kind of the icebreaker to say we're familiar. We have something in common."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=102672082

LL COOL J even took shots at the early pioneers fashion tastes with this line from "ROCK THE BELLS"

"So all yall Jheri Curl suckers wearing high heel boots, like Ballerinas what i mean is your a FRUIT LOOP TROUPE!"

That was a direct shot at Grandmaster Flash and furious 5 whom along with Kurtis Blow was criticizing the DEF JAM movement for being so "street" with not only thier fashion but thier sound, RUN DMC strayed from alot of the funk breakbeats that influenced the first generation of hip hoppers, and went with a more stripped down bass heavy dark sound....

K. Blow who ironically had Run of run dmc as his first deejay (DJ RUN) commented how he felt RUN DMC were lowering the entertainment standard with thier "gangsta look".....

even Doug E. Fresh along with the Get Fresh Crew whom molded by that old disco theme of hip hop took shots at RUN DMC in the video "ALL THE WAY TO HEAVEN"
go to the :035 mark of this video and witness the duel between the ADIDAS sneaks and the BALLY's favored by Doug and Co.



but nevertheless , it was succesful, because it made the artist more relatable to thier fans considering "they"(the stars) dressed just like them

it's amazing the changes that has occured to hip hop over the decades, but it's NECCESARY..so neccesary...it keeps the music fresh ...because if it fails to evolve it would just be stagnant ..........

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

 

[Da Rhythm Rebel]

and who says school is out on a Saturday?

thank you Honorable SKJ. really connecting the dots on all of this

please when you get a chance share that Kool Herc playlist that you mentioned earlier in the thread.

 

[JulesWinfield]

so much knowledge being dropped in this thread. as a youngin i'm just gonna sit back and soak it all in.

 

[up in here]

damn, alot of knowledge being dropped by The HONORABLE SKJ. Would you know anything about the Queens and Brooklyn scenes? I remember seeing a documentary about it a while back and they had similar things going on and some popular DJs who used to rap over break beats.

 

[ThisIsLife]

Loving all of the info you are dropping Honorable SKJ and props on the videos Newark88.

 

[Bolzmark]

almost 2 months after I was born, epic.

Exactly 6 DAYS after I was born!

 

[Reggie]

from wiki


Norfolk produced early rap and Pernell Whitaker

Don't forget Allen Iverson and Michael Vick too. Well at least they were pretty close to Hampton.

 

[labelplant]

After seeing this God gave us Nas a month later

 

[502Nels]

Incredible thread

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

This is a prototype tracklist of what you were likely to hear at a KOOL HERC party in the 70's, what makes this tracklisting so appealing is the fact that alot of these songs were largely IGNORED by the radio (WBLS) at that time...but they were very popular with the partygoers attending the street parties of Herc and the club sessions of Cheeba and Hollywood...and also a few of these you might memorize as being infamous samples used in today's modern day rap songs such as this one....





in my honest opinion if Herc had not took that sabattical following getting stabbed at one of his parties and had pursued an intrest in making tracks, he might have made a great career as a producer just based on his track selection talents..


1. I'll Bake Me a Man - Barbara Acklin (Brunswick, 1973)
2. If You Love Me Like You Say You Love Me - Betty Wright (Alston, 1972)
3. Black Skin Blue Eyed Boys - Equals (Shout, 1972)
4. Rain - Dorothy Morrison (Elektra, 1971)
5. Fencewalk - Mandrill (Polydor, 1973)
6. Street Dance/Njia (Nija) Walk (Street walk) - The Fatback Band (Perception, 1973)
7. Sultana/Rain 2000 - Titanic (Epic, 1972/1973)
8. Dust Yourself Off and Try It Again - Beautiful Zion Choir (Myrrh, 1973)
9. You're the One - Little Sister (Stone Flower, 1970)
10. Music For Gong Gong - Osibisa (Decca, 1971)
11. I Got It - Gloria Spencer (Jay Walking, 1971)
12. Girl You Need a Change of Mind/Date With the Rain - Eddie Kendricks (Tamla, 1972)
13. You Sure Know How To Love Your Man - Willie Hutch (Motown, 1974)
14. Think (About It) - Lyn Collins (People, 1972)
15. I Like What I Like - Everyday People (Paramount, 1972)
16. Twenty-Five Miles/Running Back and Forth - Edwin Starr (Gordy, 1969)
17. Feel the Need in Me - Detroit Emeralds (Westbound, 1972)
18. Giving Up - Zulema (Sussex, 1973)
19. Doing it to Death - Fred Wesley & The J.B.'s (People, 1973)
20. Melting Pot - Boris Gardiner Happening (Dynamic, 1973)
21. Beggin' - Timebox (Deram, 1968)
22. Woman/Wild Safari - Barrabas (RCA, 1973)
23. The Bottle - Gil Scott-Heron (Strata-East, 1974)/Brother to Brother (Turbo, 1974)
24. I Can Understand It - The New Birth (RCA, 1973)/Valentinos (Atlantic, 1973)/Kokomo (Columbia, 1975)
25. Pursuit of the PimpMobile - Isaac Hayes (Enterprise, 1974)
26. Take Off Your Make-up - Lamont Dozier (ABC, 1973)
27. Love and Happiness - Al Green (Hi, 1972)
28. Main Line - Ashford & Simpson (Warner Bros., 1974)
29. Armed and Extremely Dangerous/Smarty Pants - First Choice (Philly Groove, 1973)
30. Zing Went the Strings of My Heart - The Trammps (Buddah, 1972)
31. Who is He And What is He to You - Creative Source (Sussex, 1974)
32. Life and Death in G & A - Abaco Dream (A&M, 1969)
33. Half a Cup - Reggie Gardner (ABC, 1974)
34. We the People - Soul Searchers (Sussex, 1972)
35. Crazy 'Bout My Baby - Bonnie Bramlett (Columbia, 1973)
36. Getting Together - Brothers Guiding Light Featuring David (Mercury, 1973)
37. Sweet Charlie Babe/Time - Jackie Moore (Atlantic, 1973)
38. What Goes Around (Comes Around) - Black Ivory (Kwanza, 1974)
39. Soul Makossa - Manu Dibango (Atlantic, 1973)
40. Good Things Don't Last Forever - Ecstasy, Passion & Pain (Roulette, 1974)
41. Koke - Tribe (ABC, 1973)
42. Pull Yourself Together - Buddy Miles (Columbia, 1974)
43. Papa Was a Rollin' Stone - The Temptations (Gordy, 1972)
44. Under the Influence of Love - Love Unlimited (20th Century, 1973)
45. Little Bit of Love - Brenda & The Tabulations (Epic, 1972)
46. And You Call That Love - Vernon Burch (75)
47. Ask Me - Ecstacy, Passion & Pain (74)
48. Brazil - Ritchie Family (75)
49. Breaking Out All Over - Lamont Dozier (73)
50. Brother's Gonna Work It Out - Willie Hutch (73)
51. Call Me Your Anything Man - Bobby Moore (75)
52. Casanova Brown - Gloria Gaynor (75)
53. Change With The Times - Van McCoy (75)
54. Checkmate - Barrabas (75)
55. City Country City - War (72)
56. Crystal World - Crystal Grass (75)
57. Dance And Hum Along - Jackson 5 (73)
58. Do It Anyway You Wanna - People's Choice (75)
59. Do The Bus Stop - Fatback Band (75)
60. Eleanor Rigby - Wing & A Prayer (75)
61. Erucu - Jermaine Jackson (Instr.) (75)
62. Expansions - Lonnie Liston Smith (75)
63. Face The Music - Dynamic Superiors (75)
64. Foot Stompin' Music - Bohannon (75)
65. Free Man - South Shore Commission (75)
66. Give It Up Or Turn It Loose - James Brown (69)
67. Give Me Your Love - Sisters Love (73)
68. Got To Get A Knutt - New Birth (73)
69. Helplessly - Moment Of Truth (75)
70. Hi-Jack - Herbie Mann (75)
71. I Can Understand It - Bobby Womack (72); he also played
72. I'll Do Anything For You - Barry White (75)
73. I'm In Heaven - Touch Of Class (75)
74. It Only Takes A Minute - Tavares (75)
75. It's Just Begun - Jimmy Castor Bunch (72)
76. Law Of The Land - Undisputed Truth (73)
77. Look Me Up - Blue Magic (73)
78. Love & Happiness - First Choice (73)
79. Love Don't You Go Through No Changes On Me - Sister Sledge (74)
80. Love Is The Message - MFSB (74)
81. Make Me Believe In You - Patti Jo (75)
82. Mellow Blow - Barrabas (75)
83. Melting Pot - Booker T. & MGs (71)
84. Messin' With My Mind - Labelle (75)
85. Mirrors Of My Mind - Jackson 5 (74)
86. Mister Magic - Grover Washington, Jr. (75)
87. Move Me No Mountain - Love Unlimited (74)
88. Peace Pipe - B.T. Express (75)
89. Peanut Vendor - Ritchie Family (75)
90. Put The Music Where Your Mouth Is - Olympic Runners (74)
91. Rock Steady - Aretha Franklin (71)
92. Salsoul Rainbow - Salsoul Orchestra (75)
93. Save Me - Silver Convention (75)
94. Somebody's Gotta Go - Mike & Bill (75)
95. Sugar Pie Guy - Joneses (74)
96. The Family Tree - Family Tree (75)
97. The Player - First Choice (74)
98. Walk On By - Gloria Gaynor (75)
99. Waterbed - LTG Exchange (74)
100. Corazon - LTG Exchange (7x)
101. What Can I Do For You - Labelle (75)
102. Where Do I Go From Here - Supremes (75)
103. Cymande - Bra

 

[feelosofer]

After seeing this God gave us Nas a month later

Lol he created hip-hops final prophet

Nasir Jones