5 Ways Integration Underdeveloped Black America

[rapbeats]

i agree but then i also need to say there isnt a cut and dry solution. because if you think that way regarding black people as if "it was Blacks fault that they are in the situation their in. " there in lies the problem. The fault/blame has to always be placed on the oppressor.

Does anyone know why we tried to integrate, to begin with?

ANYONE?

@theworldismine13 ?


If everything was going so good for black folks under segregation. why on earth would we try to integrate? I'll wait.



**disclaimer. do not respond to me as if i'm saying i'm all for full on integration after we've seen those results. but just understand what we were dealing with back then.**

 

[rapbeats]

Black people became white people's poor people once integration happened.

If the black community had stayed more segregated you would've had rich black people emerge within the community.

we have rich black people that hang in all black communities right now. so there that logic goes.

and again, i'm not some all for integration type after we've seen the data on how well that didnt work for us EITHER. but thats hte point. EITHER.

 

[ezrathegreat]

Integration was a huge mistake on the black community's part. We should have campaigned for EQUAL RIGHTS as Americans but kept the black economy as it was, similar to what other non-black communities are doing today.

 

[rapbeats]

1. Black Wealth Stagnated or Declined: Black wealth may be slightly higher now with millionaire celebrities and a few people with hefty retirement accounts or pensions. Blacks have always had their land and homes stolen from them and property devalued so nothing new there. Black businesses were never a source of wealth. Most were/are sole proprietorships or employed a handful of people. The black elite has always consisted of the middle-income; doctors, lawyers, educators, preachers not titans of industry.

2. Black Family Structure Collapsed: This is true but integration (black women being able to financially support themselves?) and miscegenation was only a part of it. (This video seems to confuse integration with affirmative action.) Incarceration, as mentioned, plus welfare, the sexual revolution, and no-fault divorce caused the collapse of the black family. In 1965 only 8% of childbirths were out of wedlock. Wrong, that figure is for the US as a whole. In 1965 the out of wedlock birthrate for blacks was 25%; this is well documented in Daniel Patrick Moynihan's 1965 report The Negro Family: The Case For National Action. Even during the decades that blacks (men and women) had a higher marriage rate than whites, the black out of wedlock birth rate was several times higher than whites.

3. The Unemployment Rate of Black Men Quadrupled: I can't speak for just men, but the unemployment rate for blacks has been double that of whites since records have been kept. Immigration and the addition of multiple "minority" groups has help to keep black unemployment high. Employers are now using employment agencies to discriminate and hire mostly whites, Hispanics, or foreign Asians depending on the business. I listened to an NPR Reveal radio broadcast that reported that the LG plant near Huntsville, AL has a workforce that is 75% Hispanic (mostly temps) but the Huntsville area is only 5% Hispanic.

4. Myth of a colorblind society was promoted: Not enough information given.

5. Black community become dependent: The black population is no more or less dependent than before. Now only 2% of all working black people work for another black person. What was it during segregation, 2%? Or is the video counting the large number of black farmers during segregation as employers. The majority of black students receive miseducation through inadequate schooling. During segregation many blacks didn't receive much of any schooling because they dropped out at a much higher rate than now. Carter G. Woodson's The Mis-education Of The Negro was published in 1933, so nothing new there.

Thank you kind sir. kicking the facts.

For black people segregation was not working under continuous white oppression.
For black people, integration has not worked under continuous white oppression.

Anyone see the one main constant in all this? I do. its called white supremacy or white oppression.

Only when that stops/ceases to exist or is so small to the point where the majority of blacks dont have to deal with it. Then and only then will black people as a GROUP be able to truly thrive in Ameirca. There is no other way around that people.

 

[theworldismine13]

i agree but then i also need to say there isnt a cut and dry solution. because if you think that way regarding black people as if "it was Blacks fault that they are in the situation their in. " there in lies the problem. The fault/blame has to always be placed on the oppressor.

Does anyone know why we tried to integrate, to begin with?

ANYONE?

@theworldismine13 ?


If everything was going so good for black folks under segregation. why on earth would we try to integrate? I'll wait.



**disclaimer. do not respond to me as if i'm saying i'm all for full on integration after we've seen those results. but just understand what we were dealing with back then.**

for the record, im not cosigning the whole video, i think its just food for thought, @wheywhey made solid points

to understand why we integrated, you have to study the arguments and interactions between booker t, dubois and garvey http://xroads.virginia.edu/~ug03/souls/washingtonvsdubois.html Three Visions for African Americans - Constitutional Rights Foundation

i was actually tryna break that down in this thread

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/cozy-blm-leader-deray-lives-in-home-owned-by-soros’-open-society-board-member.445133/page-6#post-20196517

essentially we integrated because dubois and the naacp "won" the argument, they were well organized and better funded and they won solid legal victories and they got rid of competitors like garvey and then MLK came along and hit a home run for the integration

in the end dubois/naacp "won" but garvey was right

the main problem IMO with integration/civil rights is that it treated economics as one of many issues instead of the fundamental issue, and the main goal of integration was integration in and of itself, in other words we measure progress by how much we integrated instead of by how much economic power we have

when we saw black banks closing or black business closing we should have slowed down and re thought integration, but instead we just kept on rolling

 

[theworldismine13]

Thank you kind sir. kicking the facts.

For black people segregation was not working under continuous white oppression.
For black people, integration has not worked under continuous white oppression.

Anyone see the one main constant in all this? I do. its called white supremacy or white oppression.

Only when that stops/ceases to exist or is so small to the point where the majority of blacks dont have to deal with it. Then and only then will black people as a GROUP be able to truly thrive in Ameirca. There is no other way around that people.

the only way to stop white oppression is to develop the economic and military power to punish those who try to oppress us, we cant stop it by moralizing, savages and bullys only understand power

so economics has to be #1 on our agenda

 

[rapbeats]

for the record, im not cosigning the whole video, i think its just food for thought, @wheywhey made solid points

to understand why we integrated, you have to study the arguments and interactions between booker t, dubois and garvey http://xroads.virginia.edu/~ug03/souls/washingtonvsdubois.html Three Visions for African Americans - Constitutional Rights Foundation

i was actually tryna break that down in this thread

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/cozy-blm-leader-deray-lives-in-home-owned-by-soros’-open-society-board-member.445133/page-6#post-20196517

essentially we integrated because dubois and the naacp "won" the argument, they were well organized and better funded and they won solid legal victories and they got rid of competitors like garvey and then MLK came along and hit a home run for the integration

in the end dubois/naacp "won" but garvey was right

the main problem IMO with integration/civil rights is that it treated economics as one of many issues instead of the fundamental issue, and the main goal of integration was integration in and of itself, in other words we measure progress by how much we integrated instead of by how much economic power we have

when we saw black banks closing or black business closing we should have slowed down and re thought integration, but instead we just kept on rolling

Excellent points. I will say this. you can measure our progress with how integrated we have become. But you also have to include integration of economics as well.

basically saying this. if we were segregated. i had my pie and you had yours. due to white supremacy and white oppression and whites not paying us what they owed to us after slavery. blacks would have a much much smaller pie to deal with. whites on the other hand had a HUUUUUGE pie to play with.

if we integrate. our economics also integrates. therefore it should be a combination of the black little pie added to the white big pie, making a slightly larger pie overall that we should all be able to enjoy................wait for it.............. Equally. that has never happened. People have dismissed that part of integration.

 

[Street Knowledge]

You don't have civil rights, look at Freddie gray and Eric garner.

What you have is the ability to go to the mall and give your money to white people

 

[Dr. Acula]

I haven't been convinced that LEGALIZED segregation in a mixed society would every turn out good for black Americans.


There is a reason we went away from that in the first place because due to numbers and clout, we go denied "equal" opportunities despite being separate.



If segregation is the only solution, I say we start looking at repatriating first.

 

[ORDER_66]

So integration underdeveloped blacks in America... ok.

Give me 5 ways how segregation (or non-integration) will help develop black America today, not in the past but today and in the future.

No one says shyt when the jews do it in Brooklyn... They got their own schools, houses, food and police force out here! No one says shyt to them.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Integration was a huge mistake on the black community's part. We should have campaigned for EQUAL RIGHTS as Americans but kept the black economy as it was, similar to what other non-black communities are doing today.

How'd that work out for the native Americans

 

[hashmander]

Integration was a huge mistake on the black community's part. We should have campaigned for EQUAL RIGHTS as Americans but kept the black economy as it was, similar to what other non-black communities are doing today.

No one says shyt when the jews do it in Brooklyn... They got their own schools, houses, food and police force out here! No one says shyt to them.

if you feel that other non-black communities are doing it today then that means it's also possible for black people to do it today. we don't need segregation to force us into the kind of behavior you feel would be the most productive for our community.

 

[dh86]

Imagine how many black folks died because black hospitals were too far away while residing in the shadow of multiple white hospitals. Ignorance like this thread should have died like in those days.

 

[theworldismine13]

Excellent points. I will say this. you can measure our progress with how integrated we have become. But you also have to include integration of economics as well.

basically saying this. if we were segregated. i had my pie and you had yours. due to white supremacy and white oppression and whites not paying us what they owed to us after slavery. blacks would have a much much smaller pie to deal with. whites on the other hand had a HUUUUUGE pie to play with.

if we integrate. our economics also integrates. therefore it should be a combination of the black little pie added to the white big pie, making a slightly larger pie overall that we should all be able to enjoy................wait for it.............. Equally. that has never happened. People have dismissed that part of integration.

yeah, segregation is bad also, but the real problem with segregation was that it was government mandated, so government mandated segregation is something that can never be tolerated

yeah integration did some good things

so its really a balance, we have to voluntarily segregate, but we live in a free enterprise system so its important to trade with everybody, but the key is trade, not just a one way thing where we are buying stuff and not selling stuff, we need to get together to develop our own mini economy and then connect that to the larger economy, what happened is we skipped the building our own economy part

 

[Starman]

if you feel that other non-black communities are doing it today then that means it's also possible for black people to do it today. we don't need segregation to force us into the kind of behavior you feel would be the most productive for our community.

Does this mean you support self segregation?