504 Boyz - Whodi (2000)

[Marlo Barksdale]

Production is everything...

The newer producers p had couldnt compete with klc and bbtp...

I don't know what bird and slim be doing, but even the production after mannie left was pretty much on point...

Klc was still hittin with down for my nikkaz and hoody hoo..those 808s were cooking

Gotta remember that by the end of 1998, Beats By The Pound's sound had gotten played out with all the microwave albums they did. That started to become clear when Snoop's debut NL album was panned (I liked it tho). That opened the floodgates for people to diss BBTP's sound.

Honestly, it was time for No Limit to move on from BBTP. Problem was the new producers (and the new artists) couldn't compare to the heat that Mannie was bringing. Ironically, when Mannie left CMR, it was the exact same situation and his departure was actually best for the label.

Having strictly in-house production is probably the best situation for a new label, but you have to eventually switch to outside producers in order to reinvent the label and not become stale.

 

[OHSNAP!]

Gotta remember that by the end of 1998, Beats By The Pound's sound had gotten played out with all the microwave albums they did. That started to become clear when Snoop's debut NL album was panned (I liked it tho). That opened the floodgates for people to diss BBTP's sound.

Honestly, it was time for No Limit to move on from BBTP. Problem was the new producers (and the new artists) couldn't compare to the heat that Mannie was bringing. Ironically, when Mannie left CMR, it was the exact same situation and his departure was actually best for the label.

Having strictly in-house production is probably the best situation for a new label, but you have to eventually switch to outside producers in order to reinvent the label and not become stale.

Yup. Jay was one of the best at this. Switched it up many times, many cooks in the kitchen with a few central producers (Timbo, Swizz, Ye, Blaze)

 

[OHSNAP!]

Yeah, releasing 35 albums in one calendar year is ridiculous (in a good way).

Better appreciate him while he’s here, would still love to hear him talk more about his oversight on the younger artists and some of his strategy for rebranding once the glory days were behind him.

Lmao stop it breh, wasn't no 35 in twelve months

 

[O.Red]

According to Mystikal, they didn't have time to put him on "Wobble, Wobble" song or video so they did a copy and paste job since he was in the group. "Roll, Roll" and "Whodi" are the only songs he was really on from the album.

Some of "Let's Get Ready" was recorded while he was on No Limit. Possibly most or all of it, but several songs were cut and didn't make the album. He had a song with Fiend and Magic that didn't make it.

He officially left No Limit in 2000. Most of Let's Get Ready was done in 1999.

This

Let's Get Ready was originally Let's Get Ready To Rumble. You can see the cover and title in some of the booklets where they showed the upcoming releases

 

[Wacky D]

I was 16 when this came out & it was my shıt. I can't speak for nobody else though.

yea I was just starting high school when that video dropped, and its still my chit.

HA was blowing up at the time, and I never got into that song like that.

I see the point he was making tho.

Production is everything...

The newer producers p had couldnt compete with klc and bbtp...

I don't know what bird and slim be doing, but even the production after mannie left was pretty much on point...

Klc was still hittin with down for my nikkaz and hoody hoo..those 808s were cooking

nah. BBTP were getting fatigued and on the downside.

the new crew was actually refreshing and better than what KLC and them were doing at that point.

but like bul said earlier, the problem was that they couldn't hang with mannie fresh.

its like the young spurs squad outplayed parker, ginoboli, etc on their way out and took their spots, but they cant keep up with some of these new powerhouses out west and might miss the playoffs.​

The poster is 100% on point. No limit never said whodi or hot boyz in their music. Cash money introduces it to the mainstream, and all of a sudden, P starts using it in his music?

master p's cousin was named "hot boy" and I remember the song "hot boys & girls" was popular before cash money went mainstream.

im the one who brought up that the forefront artists on no limit didn't use "whodi" until cash money blew it up in the mainstream, but they did have some of the backbone guys using it beforehand.

@BO BARON

I want you to understand why the perception is that P is viewed as a biter in this situation.

All that shyt you mentioned was in '98.

'97 was a huge year for CMR. I think it would be fair to say they blew up regionally. Juvenile, The Hot Boyz, & BG (2 albums) all dropped that year. Once they blew up regionally, this is when P started incorporating shyt that they did. The ended up blowing up nationally the following year.

I think it's important that you understand that CMR's music was reaching other areas in the south/midwest in 97, so they were very relevant. If you NEVER heard of CMR until Juvenile's 400 Degreez, you perspective of this will be totally different.

yea, but you gotta remember that this was the time period where master p moved no limit to new orleans.

of course hes gonna pick back up on the new orleans slang and incorporate it into his music.
that's not biting.

again tho, he did make certain moves that I don't think he would've done if CMR wasn't around, like the Whodi song and using "hot boyz" as a movie title.

but the use of the slang overall is too much of a reach.​

 

[10:31]

Forgot about C Murder’s 2005 trapped in crime album

easily one of the best albums that dropped in 05

 

[born of fire]

Breh, you really peep stuff down to the core. NOBODY has stated this

I was talking about this the other day how this dude gets 0 credit for this element, Juvie had a heavy tone with his, old man in male chorus type sing-songy flow, but Turk had more a melody with his, Wayne copied it as well. Turk did bring that to the table. That's something that doesn't get talked about, how each one of them would sing/harmonize parts in their bars, which brought out the verse more, over the Mannie production.
The Hot Boys with the exception of Bone, but theirs were not the same as the Hot Boys, Turk's flow when he did that was just different than anything that I heard. Juvie picked up on it and started doing it. You can hear it on 50 shots, Welcome 2 the Noila, The Man Juvenile.

Breh. This needs to be highlighted more.

as much as i love to clown out turk i can’t imagine him not being in the hot boys. that sing songy thing he was doing sounded great, especially on “it’s in me”. he had a nice flow at times.

i loved the “you afraid? go to church, i ain’t scared at all” line on the man. him and B.G. were good at those grim reaper/total nonconcern for life types of lines. just straight murder street music.

 

[Eza]

Forgot about C Murder’s 2005 trapped in crime album

easily one of the best albums that dropped in 05

But it dropped in 2000 fam...

 

[10:31]

But it dropped in 2000 fam...

I’m getting old

“The Truest shyt I ever said”

 

[YoungMoneyCashMoneyBoy]

Just noticed they recycled this beat from How U Luv That Intro



I used to notice they would recycle lines from songs before they blew up and would use them again or as choruses on later songs.

 

[360dagod]

Just noticed they recycled this beat from How U Luv That Intro



I used to notice they would recycle lines from songs before they blew up and would use them again or as choruses on later songs.

Juvenile always wanted to rap over that beat..i remember him saying the big tymers always got the best beats

 

[YoungMoneyCashMoneyBoy]

Juvenile always wanted to rap over that beat..i remember him saying the big tymers always got the best beats

Of course they did, mannie gotta hook himself up too

But based on Get It How U Live, 400 Degreez and even It's All On U, I can't entirely agree with Juve.

 

[Wacky D]

Just noticed they recycled this beat from How U Luv That Intro



I used to notice they would recycle lines from songs before they blew up and would use them again or as choruses on later songs.

they recycled lines from songs after they blew up too.

I was just pointing out to someone yesterday that turk's verse from "I need a hot girl" ended up being the hook for "project chick". I myself didn't notice this until yesterday while ranting as "hot girl summer" played on the radio.

then I was like "dam, they didn't even put young turk on the project chick song". that's prolly why they gave him the main look on the "baller blockin" cut....or maybe im just giving them the benefit of the doubt.

but yea, I copped "how U luv that" after I already had g-code. if I heard "how u luv that" 1st, I would've been upset at the beat going to waste.

 

[AlbertPullhoez]

Juvenile always wanted to rap over that beat..i remember him saying the big tymers always got the best beats

Juve heard them beats on UNLV's Uptown 4 Life album and was

Drag Em In The River is what made him want to come to Cash Money. Hence him re-using it years later for Set It Off

 

[YoungMoneyCashMoneyBoy]

they recycled lines from songs after they blew up too.

I was just pointing out to someone yesterday that turk's verse from "I need a hot girl" ended up being the hook for "project chick". I myself didn't notice this until yesterday while ranting as "hot girl summer" played on the radio.

then I was like "dam, they didn't even put young turk on the project chick song". that's prolly why they gave him the main look on the "baller blockin" cut....or maybe im just giving them the benefit of the doubt.

but yea, I copped "how U luv that" after I already had g-code. if I heard "how u luv that" 1st, I would've been upset at the beat going to waste.

Yea juve had a line on bg's "hot boys 226" where he says, "baby gimme the keys, gimme the g'z, gimme the weed, gimme the mac 10" then i heard him say it on big tymers "#1 stunna"

On juve's "rich nikkaz", Wayne said "Loud pipes, big rims, nikka, that's my life, When I pull up at the club sorry that's my night" then on his album he drops "Loud Pipes" with that as the chorus.

Juve first rapped "Girl that's Juvenile, you don't know he on fire. Seventeen inch Momos, black Magic on his tires" on "Neighborhood Superstar" and that became the chorus on "Juvenile on Fire"

Big Tymers "Big Ballin" chorus is "Whoa whoa whoa kimosabe big big big ballin is my hobby" and wayne's "steady mobbin" uses parts of that.

There's so many more examples I used to notice as a kid. They ate good off them '97 albums.