538: Black voters aren't turning out in post-Obama era

[brick james]

Under Clinton, blacks were mass incarcerated at stratospheric rates. Additionally, while there was a bigger black middle class than at present, blacks were still lagging behind whites and other groups at an alarming rate.

Under Obama, blacks lost their homes and wealth at disproportionate rates. There were also blacks being killed by rogue cops/white supremacists in broad daylight and on cameras but almost none of those white supremacists were incarcerated/punished.

Moreover, I asked for something that Democratic Party has done specifically for blacks in the last 50 years (besides the CRA) and you responded with incidental benefits (if they can even be called such).

The reason these things happen is because black people don't vote or care about politics. The same black representatives and the heirs in their district that voted for Mass incarceration are still in office. The same reps and CBC are still in office. Black people are not engaged politically, so we will continue to have shytty policies, that is all.

You are straight up asking for people who already don't vote to not vote

 

[William F. Russell]

Where did this version of civil discourse even come from? You make a party cater to you by getting involved in local politics and then using that power to make real positive changes or you do not and nothing happens. The 2nd is happening, blacks are not more powerful than ever right now, in fact, I predict the Dem party moving left economically and moving right socially to get more of the white vote.

Didn't Republicans just prove the white vote is enough to win, why would anyone cater to people who don't vote?

One issue is gun control, blacks in the inner city and their reps are the strongest supporters of gun control, and I think the Dems are going to start dropping the rhetoric to win back whites in CO, NV, PA, WI, etc.

Who said anything about blacks being more powerful than ever?

And, no, the Republican didn't show that the white vote is enough to win.

 

[William F. Russell]

The reason these things happen is because black people don't vote or care about politics.

And I stopped reading right there. That is bullshyt.

 

[brick james]

Who said anything about blacks being more powerful than ever?

And, no, the Republican didn't show that the white vote is enough to win.

I'm saying your implication, correct me if I'm wrong, is that blacks have some power that they aren't harnessing by voting for Dems, and that to correctly wield that power they should abstain from voting until a party caters to them correct?

And as far as blacks not voting, the only data I know off hand, because I'm on mobile, is that in states like AK and MS in the deep South, black turnout is under 40 percent in 2014. They can be a significant factor in local elections as well like school board, etc, but they don't turnout.

I have lots of stat data on my comp at home that I will link here

 

[brick james]

And I stopped reading right there. That is bullshyt.

How do you explain the same black reps who voted for Mass incarceration, or their political heirs still being in office? Either black people agree or they don't care, which is it?

 

[714562]

Oh really??? But CNN told me for YEARS from 2009 to 2016 that Obama built a "coalition" that would last for generations

Well, he did build a coalition. Or at least, he built the foundation for such a coalition. But he then proceeded to destroy said foundation by dismantling Organize for America.

 

[William F. Russell]

How do you explain the same black reps who voted for Mass incarceration, or their political heirs still being in office? Either black people agree or they don't care, which is it?

Breh, you're making a pretty huge leap in inference. And you're misunderstanding what my stance is.

Black people do vote in mass amounts but the issue is that they vote in mass amounts almost religiously for the Democratic Party. And what's worse is that they do so without ever articulating SPECIFIC, TANGIBLE demands. So what you have is black people in the electorate who give their *powerful* votes away for nothing more than lip-service, nae-nae'ing, and a few black figureheads from the Democrats. What black people need to do is give their collective vote to the highest bidder who will meet those specified, tangible demands.

When you bring up those black reps who voted for mass incarceration, etc., that happened because black people never made specific demands and, thus, could never hold the Democrats feet to the fire when it comes to meeting our community's needs.

It's 2017 and y'all nikkas still don't understand...

 

[Worthless Loser]

Under Clinton, blacks were mass incarcerated at stratospheric rates. Additionally, while there was a bigger black middle class than at present, blacks were still lagging behind whites and other groups at an alarming rate.

Under Obama, blacks lost their homes and wealth at disproportionate rates. There were also blacks being killed by rogue cops/white supremacists in broad daylight and on cameras but almost none of those white supremacists were incarcerated/punished.

Moreover, I asked for something that Democratic Party has done specifically for blacks in the last 50 years (besides the CRA) and you responded with incidental benefits (if they can even be called such).

Blacks felt the worse of the crime bill but unlike many who think they were solely targeted, they were not solely targeted. They just happened to feel it the worse since black crime was a serious problem.

Obama inherited Bush's mess with housing and other issues and he successfully got things back to where they were before the financial crash. Now, there are certain things such as the wealth gap that has been expanding for generations and that has less to do with policy and more to do with rich people having more ways and doors to get richer.

Blacks trailing behind will take generations to fix since generations of oppression caused it. Nobody should really get blame for that unless they significantly make it worse.

I've gone over what Obama has done numerous times to help black people but sadly you and other super militants are brain dead and would rather listen to some black youtube celebrity.

Anyway, white people vote out of false hope, then they end up fooled. At least they let their voice be heard unlike blacks who don't vote out of ignorance. And considering we just got the right to vote compared to how long white people been able to vote, thats embarrassing and are ancestors who faught for the right to vote would be disgusted.

 

[Uncle Hotep]

Black vote going back to post-Obama levels. We'll see. I tend to think population growth alone will ensure an increase in the black vote, although not to uber Obama levels.

Also gotta wonder how much of this boils down to whites having a candidate who excited them (Trump) and everyone else being stuck with the least interesting/inspiring choice (Hillary). IE perhaps a better candidate in 2020 will do better.

but the black pop isnt growing

 

[William F. Russell]

but the black pop isnt growing

His strawman is built on a lie.

 

[William F. Russell]

Blacks felt the worse of the crime bill but unlike many who think they were solely targeted, they were not solely targeted. They just happened to feel it the worse since black crime was a serious problem.

Obama inherited Bush's mess with housing and other issues and he successfully got things back to where they were before the financial crash. Now, there are certain things such as the wealth gap that has been expanding for generations and that has less to do with policy and more to do with rich people having more ways and doors to get richer.

Blacks trailing behind will take generations to fix since generations of oppression caused it. Nobody should really get blame for that unless they significantly make it worse.

I've gone over what Obama has done numerous times to help black people but sadly you and other super militants are brain dead and would rather listen to some black youtube celebrity.

Anyway, white people vote out of false hope, then they end up fooled. At least they let their voice be heard unlike blacks who don't vote out of ignorance. And considering we just got the right to vote compared to how long white people been able to vote, thats embarrassing and are ancestors who faught for the right to vote would be disgusted.

1. Whether blacks were solely targeted or not by the crime bill legislation is irrelevant since black people were disproportionately impacted by mass incarceration due to the 3-strikes law.

2. Everything you said about Obama and Bush doesn't take away from the fact that BLACK PEOPLE are still lagging behind whites and everybody else in terms of economic health.

3. Obama hasn't done anything specifically for black people like he has done for Jews, LGBT community, gays, and women/feminists. My Brother's Keeper doesn't count because it's not specifically for black people...it's for "people of color" smh...Has Obama even uttered the phrase "black people" while he was in office?

4. Black people need to be more selective with their collective vote and need to get the fukk off the Democratic Party plantation.

5. Your insults and name-calling make you look emotional as hell.

 

[Worthless Loser]

1. Whether blacks were solely targeted or not by the crime bill legislation is irrelevant since black people were disproportionately impacted by mass incarceration due to the 3-strikes law.

2. Everything you said about Obama and Bush doesn't take away from the fact that BLACK PEOPLE are still lagging behind whites and everybody else in terms of economic health.

3. Obama hasn't done anything specifically for black people like he has done for Jews, LGBT community, gays, and women/feminists. My Brother's Keeper doesn't count because it's not specifically for black people...it's for "people of color" smh...Has Obama even uttered the phrase "black people" while he was in office?

4. Black people need to be more selective with their collective vote and need to get the fukk off the Democratic Party plantation.

5. Your insults and name-calling make you look emotional as hell.

The 3 strike law was awful, but go back and look at the crime stats of the late 80's/early 90's. The crime bill was not a bad idea. Some of the things in it were bad and the execution wasn't good.

Did I not just say it will take generations for blacks to get on equal footing because generations of oppression caused it?

I've had long lists of what he did. Posted in TLR multiple times. None of it matters though because he didn't walk in the white house with a pitbull and a dashiki. He's said black people or referenced black stuff multiple times. Unlike you I've watched tons of Obama town halls, speeches and other sit down meetings so that I'm informed and not making uniformed statements on what he says or does.

So, let black people not vote at all and watch the country go in the worst direction. Why did are ancestors fight for are right to vote again?

No insults. Just can't say bland or off the wall stuff and think its gonna stick.

 

[ORDER_66]

I tell these muthafukkas not to vote because the fix is in and yet I get cursed out to oblivion... When your voting for the lesser of two evils...Why the fukk would you vote for EVIL?!!?

Also 13 percent of the population is STILL ONLY 13%... 90% of black women voted for Hillary nationwide... and white women voted for trump, the election results does not fall on black people's shoulders...

Also if your politician ain't gonna put it in writing or fix shyt for us with his actions fukk him... MAKE THEM EARN YOUR fukkING VOTE...

No one says shyt when the jews or asians don't vote... why the fukk can we not excersize the same power behind our vote???

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

i predicted in this board years ago that hillary was gonna lose cuz black people are gonna turn away from the democratic party, and i was laughed at

Saying black people are turning away from the Democratic Party is something that should be laughed at.

Hillary got appx 90% of the black vote. No other demographic votes for a single party in such a high percentage.

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

I tell these muthafukkas not to vote because the fix is in and yet I get cursed out to oblivion... When your voting for the lesser of two evils...Why the fukk would you vote for EVIL?!!?

Also 13 percent of the population is STILL ONLY 13%... 90% of black women voted for Hillary nationwide... and white women voted for trump, the election results does not fall on black people's shoulders...Also if your politician ain't gonna put it in writing or fix shyt for us with his actions fukk him... MAKE THEM EARN YOUR fukkING VOTE...
No one says shyt when the jews or asians don't vote... why the fukk can we not excersize the same power behind our vote???

NOT VOTING IS THE SAME AS A VOTE FOR THE GUY/GAL WHO TRULY HATES YOU. I agree with all of the other things you're saying but if your group has low rates of participation then politicians will not accede to your demands.