Gil Scott-Heroin
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No they weren't elite players.why you think they got together in the first place??
The same shyt could be said for Lebron.
76ers messed by trading Nikola Vucevic :snoop:
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The same shyt could be said for Lebron.
GreatestLaker
#FirePelinka
The 04 Pistons were the only team in the history in the league to win a championship without a top 5 player. If you don't have a top 5 player on your team you can forget about winning it all.
nikka are you on crack?
HOw the fukk was KG not elite in 08?
He was arguably top 3. Top 4 at WORST.
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you can't be this stupid. so he's not going to win the championship this year??
Tell me what other team is going to beat the Heat this year. And look how those teams are built, come back and make your point .
Kobe can perform at an elite level for a limited period of time but he cannot do it for long stretches of games like he used to. And his defense is just
Gil Scott-Heroin
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so he's not going to win the championship this year??
Tell me what other team is going to beat the Heat this year. And look how those teams are built, come back and make your point .
What happened to him in Cleveland? You said that Allen/Pierce/KG got together because they couldn't win a title individually. The same applies to Lebron; the same currently applies to Wade; the same applies to Bosh.
Kobe can perform at an elite level for a limited period of time but he cannot do it for long stretches of games like he used to. And his defense is just
I was referring to prime Kobe
What happened to him in Cleveland? You said that Allen/Pierce/KG got together because they couldn't win a title individually. The same applies to Lebron; the same currently applies to Wade; the same applies to Bosh.
BOsh is not an elite player. Wade is. And so is Lebron.
what did KG/Pierce/Allen do before they got together???
what did Wade/Lebron do before they got together?
@Po pimp
HELL Yea prime Kobe was an elite player. Or did you forget that the Lakers became an instant contender the moment Bynum just elevated his play in 08???
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Gil Scott-Heroin
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BOsh is not an elite player. Wade is. And so is Lebron.
what did KG/Pierce/Allen do before they got together???
what did Wade/Lebron do before they got together?
What did KG/Pierce/Allen do before they got together..... not win a championship.
What did Lebron do before he went Miami....... not win a championship.
Once again you said - "An elite player can mask a lot weaknesses on a team and will said team to championship in spite of said weaknesses" - Lebron doesn't fit that criteria. He got together with Wade/Bosh just like KG/Pierce/Allen got together.... because he couldn't win it on his own.
step your
game up.BOsh is not an elite player. Wade is. And so is Lebron.
what did KG/Pierce/Allen do before they got together???
what did Wade/Lebron do before they got together?
@Po pimp
HELL Yea prime Kobe was an elite player. Or did you forget that the Lakers became an instant contender the moment Bynum just elevated his play in 08???
Really? I thought the Pau Gasol trade had more to do with that. By the way, I do think Kobe was elite, but your "elite player" criteria is flawed.
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GreatestLaker
#FirePelinka
Bynum was better in 08 than Pau was. We were the number 1 seed in the West before he went down with an injury.
no Bynum wasn't better than Pau. Bynum just elevated his play from where it was at the previous year. Pau in 08 was better than Bynum(at the start of the season) and Pau in 08 wasn't a better player than Wade
@Gil Scott-Heroin
I'm not going to argue with you bruh....you are kinda "special"
whatever I say, you will always come up with some bullshyt that makes no sense.
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Wasn't even first in your division before the trade.
Kobe can perform at an elite level for a limited period of time but he cannot do it for long stretches of games like he used to. And his defense is just
His on the ball defense is still better than most guys in the league. His off the ball defense is a problem because he lacks the foot speed and gambles too much.
GreatestLaker
#FirePelinka
Nah Drew was better. His impact on defense alone >>>> anything Pau brought in 2008.no Bynum wasn't better than Pau. Bynum just elevated his play from where it was at the previous year. Pau in 08 was better than Bynum(at the start of the season) and Pau in 08 wasn't a better player than Wade
@Gil Scott-Heroin
I'm not going to argue with you bruh....you are kinda "special"
Drew averaged 17/12/3/2 in January before he went down with an injury. He never got back to that level of play.
We fell down in the standings once Drew went down. BUT when he was playing we were the number 1 seed.
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They would have been able to sign Bynum this summer even with Iguodala picking up his option as long as they don't resign Hawes last summer. The real key though, is they would have been able to evaluate Nikola, and monitor Bynum from a distance. I understand why they traded for Bynum, but they had no shot at winning a title with him even if he was healthy. They would have been better off keeping their assets and not taking on Jason Richardson's contract.
You keep saying Nikola isn't a star, but right now neither is BynumAt least you'd have a starting center, and the chance to draft a star player, right now you don't have a center.
We didn't trade for Bynum to contend this season. We acquired him as a building block. He would've been the best big man in the conference. With a few more pieces, that could've made a possible contender in the East in 2014 or 2015.
Iggy has 30 million and 2 years left on his deal. If we kept Iggy and Vucevic and not resigned Hawes, we'd only be 8-10 million under the cap. They wouldn't be able to keep Vucevic and Bynum; the cap wouldn't allow it.
I don't give a fukk about having a starting center if we're just gonna be an 7-8 seed. And Vucevic is just that, a starting center. Not a star or a difference maker. He's not adding more than a couple wins to this roster. Let's say they don't trade for Bynum and don't resign Hawes. Their rotation would be this
Vucevic
Thad
Iggy
Turner
Holiday
Swaggy
Moultrie
Wright
Allen
That's, at best, a 7 seed in the East. That frontcourt can't stop shyt on defense, and they'd still be relying on the long two for offense. We'd lose our 2014 draft pick, Doug Collins would still be our coach, and we'd only have another cap room to add a guy like Al Jefferson. Perpetual mediocrity for yet another year.
fukk that shyt.