9/11 survivor says there were explosions before/after planes hit

[the cac mamba]

i said why not just put out a better video theres no reason not to

the feds took the video from a gas station. just show it

 

[Trust Me]

Just blatantly false.

Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. “It was absolutely a plane, and I’ll tell you why,” says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC in Washington, D.C. “I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box.” Kilsheimer’s eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: “I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?”






One of the engines specifically is what punched the deepest hole in the structure. Obviously an exploding missile couldn't blow a huge 25+ foot hole in the outer structure and yet make a perfect engine-shaped 8 foot wide hole deep in. You can see pieces of the plane debris in that picture with the green primer paint that is used on certain airplane parts.

Where do you get your info from?

Pieces of the fuselage

Interior framing

More fuselage

landing wheel:

Portion of the landing gear without the wheel:

Engine rotor:

Diffuser

Probably the largest connected piece of plane debris - that's what happens when you hit a heavily reinforced wall at 350 mph

Cleanup worker carrying fuselage:

The following link has the most exhaustive summary of all the evidence showing it was clearly a plane impact, including additional debris photos I didn't include cause the pieces are so small. What bothers me is this happened 20 years ago and at any point a 5-second Google search could have shown you were wrong, but you didn't even look. Just like @the cac mamba still demanding a video that had already been released 16 years ago. Why believe such ridiculous shyt yet not be willing to put in a few seconds of work to check it out?

The Pentagon Attack: What the Physical Evidence Shows

So a plane made a perfect hole into the side of the Pentagon?

Those pics really don't mean much to me. I don't know when and where they were taken. What I DO remember is the news channels picking up on the lack of plane debris at the scene (at the Pentagon), and then they ALL magically stopped covering it at the same time. I also remember how all of the security cameras within 1/4 square mile were magically not working, or they 'didn't catch the crash'

9/11 is still something that doesn't sit right with me. All that 'terrorists hijacked multiple planes with box cutters and forced their ways into cockpits' etc. sounds too Hollywood for me.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

i said why not just put out a better video theres no reason not to

the feds took the video from a gas station. just show it

How ignorant an idiot do you want to be?


They released that video 16 years ago. I ALREADY POSTED THE WHOLE THING IN THIS THREAD IN A RESPONSE TO YOU.

9/11 survivor says there were explosions before/after planes hit

Is there any confirmation that better video exists? There's a simple logistic issue with trying to cover the entire Pentagon grounds with high FPS security vid in 2001 - it was just too fukking big. How many security cameras do you need to monitor 1,100 acres of land and 150 acres of...

www.thecoli.com

Like I always say, you're not just uninformed, you are intentionally, aggressively ignorant.

 

[the cac mamba]

How ignorant an idiot do you want to be?


They released that video 16 years ago. I ALREADY POSTED THE WHOLE THING IN THIS THREAD IN A RESPONSE TO YOU.

9/11 survivor says there were explosions before/after planes hit

Is there any confirmation that better video exists? There's a simple logistic issue with trying to cover the entire Pentagon grounds with high FPS security vid in 2001 - it was just too fukking big. How many security cameras do you need to monitor 1,100 acres of land and 150 acres of...

www.thecoli.com

Like I always say, you're not just uninformed, you are intentionally, aggressively ignorant.

yeah, im so out of line for suggesting that the most protected building in the world has a better security video of a fukking passenger plane hitting it

 

[MushroomX]

9/11 is still something that doesn't sit right with me. All that 'terrorists hijacked multiple planes with box cutters and forced their ways into cockpits' etc. sounds too Hollywood for me.

You have to remember that before September 11 there was no TSA... you didn't need to show any ID or bording passes; your family could see you leave/return at the gate. There was no scanners, just metal detectors. And back then, you were allowed to carry 4-inch knives on a plane. Plus really most of the weaponry they used was pepper spray/mace, there was only one flight that said they had box cutters.

Mostly all security was doing was making sure you didn't have a gun or a bomb.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

yeah, im so out of line for suggesting that the most protected building in the world has a better security video of a fukking passenger plane hitting it

You're a complete idiot for repeatedly claiming that they failed to release a video that was already released 16 years ago and has already been SHOWN TO YOU in this very thread. It's like you're such a rockbrain that even when someone shows something to you directly, it makes zero difference because information cannot penetratrate the 2.5 inch thick steel reinforced concrete walls you have in place of a skull.

Everything about the security cameras has already been explained to you in this thread. In detail. You probably didn't even read it, just like you didn't even read the post showing you the gas station video.

 

[the cac mamba]

You're a complete idiot for repeatedly claiming that they failed to release a video that was already released 16 years ago and has already been SHOWN TO YOU in this very thread. It's like you're such a rockbrain that even when someone shows something to you directly, it makes zero difference because information cannot penetratrate the 2.5 inch thick steel reinforced concrete walls you have in place of a skull.

Everything about the security cameras has already been explained to you in this thread. In detail. You probably didn't even read it, just like you didn't even read the post showing you the gas station video.

yes, sir. the government would never withhold anything about 9/11 to the american people you're obviously 100% right

 

[Professor Emeritus]

So a plane made a perfect hole into the side of the Pentagon?

There's no "perfect hole" in the side of the Pentagon. The hole I showed in that picture is punched out of one of the interior walls by one of the engines. It was the heaviest, densest part of the plane and thus the one that survived the longest. The fusalage (which is basically an empty cylinder) and wings all crumbled up and were torn to pieces while blasting through the first heavily reinforced 2.5 foot thick outer wall and into the 2nd wall.

Once again, if you want to understand the Pentagon impact, everything about it and all the evidence is described in detail here. Or just keep following your feelings, if evidence isn't enough.

The Pentagon Attack: What the Physical Evidence Shows

Those pics really don't mean much to me. I don't know when and where they were taken. What I DO remember is the news channels picking up on the lack of plane debris at the scene (at the Pentagon), and then they ALL magically stopped covering it at the same time.

This is completely made up. It would also require all the news agencies, all the first responders including numerous firefighters, engineers, and other workers, and all the nearby Pentagon employees to be collaborating in some sort of giant conspiracy that involved lying about what they saw there and somehow creating dozens of carefully orchastrated fake photos with ripped-up 757 crash parts that they got from....where exactly?

How the fukk would they keep that many people quiet, many of whom could not possibly have known about the conspiracy in advance and thus couldn't be pre-approved for compliance?

I also remember how all of the security cameras within 1/4 square mile were magically not working, or they 'didn't catch the crash'

Again, completely manufactured. One of the security cameras that caught the crash has already been posted in this thread, though the images were limited as it took 2 frames / second like most security cameras do. There wernen't other security cameras pointed in that same direction for obvious reasons that have already been explained in the thread.

9/11 is still something that doesn't sit right with me. All that 'terrorists hijacked multiple planes with box cutters and forced their ways into cockpits' etc. sounds too Hollywood for me.

So the terrorists, all of whom interacted with many witnesses in the months and even minutes leading into the flight, were....what, crisis actors?

All the family members who spoke to their loved ones on Flight 93 and who told them exactly what was going on, were they in on the scam? Where are their loved ones now? Were their loved ones forced to the government to make up intricate, detailed lies about the terrorists who took the plane, and none of the family members they were talking to were able to see through the lies, and then the government killed them all?

You're pretending to be logical but your entire basis for rejecting the evidence is the same as every other 9/11 denier - it just doesn't "feel right" because it was an unprecedented event that you didn't know could happen, and you want to follow your feelings instead of looking at the evidence and using your brain. Literally EVERY time I see someone talk about the "demolition theory", they start off with "I saw that and it didn't feel right", as if they're so arrogant as to think their brains were prepared to predict every possible experience and thus anything new can't be real.

 

[Trust Me]

There's no "perfect hole" in the side of the Pentagon. The hole I showed in that picture is punched out of one of the interior walls by one of the engines. It was the heaviest, densest part of the plane and thus the one that survived the longest. The fusalage (which is basically an empty cylinder) and wings all crumbled up and were torn to pieces while blasting through the first heavily reinforced 2.5 foot thick outer wall and into the 2nd wall.

Once again, if you want to understand the Pentagon impact, everything about it and all the evidence is described in detail here. Or just keep following your feelings, if evidence isn't enough.

The Pentagon Attack: What the Physical Evidence Shows

This is completely made up. It would also require all the news agencies, all the first responders including numerous firefighters, engineers, and other workers, and all the nearby Pentagon employees to be collaborating in some sort of giant conspiracy that involved lying about what they saw there and somehow creating dozens of carefully orchastrated fake photos with ripped-up 757 crash parts that they got from....where exactly?

How the fukk would they keep that many people quiet, many of whom could not possibly have known about the conspiracy in advance and thus couldn't be pre-approved for compliance?






Again, completely manufactured. One of the security cameras that caught the crash has already been posted in this thread, though the images were limited as it took 2 frames / second like most security cameras do. There wernen't other security cameras pointed in that same direction for obvious reasons that have already been explained in the thread.






So the terrorists, all of whom interacted with many witnesses in the months and even minutes leading into the flight, were....what, crisis actors?

All the family members who spoke to their loved ones on Flight 93 and who told them exactly what was going on, were they in on the scam? Where are their loved ones now? Were their loved ones forced to the government to make up intricate, detailed lies about the terrorists who took the plane, and none of the family members they were talking to were able to see through the lies, and then the government killed them all?

You're pretending to be logical but your entire basis for rejecting the evidence is the same as every other 9/11 denier - it just doesn't "feel right" because it was an unprecedented event that you didn't know could happen, and you want to follow your feelings instead of looking at the evidence and using your brain. Literally EVERY time I see someone talk about the "demolition theory", they start off with "I saw that and it didn't feel right", as if they're so arrogant as to think their brains were prepared to predict every possible experience and thus anything new can't be real.

1) That first pic you posted is as perfect a hole as I've ever seen. The fukk you mean? I don't care what part of the 'plane' hit .. that shyt is perfectly round.

2) How are you gonna tell me what I wrote is completely made up? How old are you? Cause I wasn't no jit when this shyt happened. I was 23 years old. I remember it like it was yesterday. shyt didn't make sense then, and shyt don't make sense now. The news coverage wanted answers for the lack of debris from the Pentagon 'plane' ALL of the news outlets wanted answers, and I specifically followed that storyline because the live showings had nothing that even remotely looked like plane debris.


3) You said there was camera footage of the plane hitting the Pentagon? Can you link it? I don't feel like combing through this thread. Because if it's the one that I've seen... all I saw was a beam of red shoot across the screen and then disappear. Maybe the clip you're talking about is different?


Let me be clear.. is what you're saying happened on 9/11 possible? Sure. But you asking me if family members talking to loved ones on flight 93.. and discussing what was going on is just as believable as the US government pulling some shyt like this, in order to gain access to foreign oil and to take down Al Qaeda. What's crazy to me is how hell bent you are in believing everything the government has fed you. And I'm no conspiracy theorist.. but for you to act like it's not possible that the US could pull a move like this, makes you seem naïve.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

1) That first pic you posted is as perfect a hole as I've ever seen. The fukk you mean? I don't care what part of the 'plane' hit .. that shyt is perfectly round.

You're killing your own argument. This is what a 757 jet engine looks like? What shape do you expect the hole to be when it hits straight on at 400mph?

If it were a missile that blew up on contact with the outer wall, where all the explosion was, then what the fukk could have penetrated that deep into an interior wall? No missile component is that large and nothing circular would have remained after it blew up.

A giant engine-shaped hole in an interior wall is an argument AGAINST a missile, not for one.

2) How are you gonna tell me what I wrote is completely made up? How old are you? Cause I wasn't no jit when this shyt happened. I was 23 years old. I remember it like it was yesterday. shyt didn't make sense then, and shyt don't make sense now. The news coverage wanted answers for the lack of debris from the Pentagon 'plane' ALL of the news outlets wanted answers, and I specifically followed that storyline because the live showings had nothing that even remotely looked like plane debris.

I was old enough to be teaching when it happened, so I remember it well too. You need to bring receipts. You claimed no plane debris was found on site and I was immediately able to provide you with a dozen pictures and multiple witnesses who prove otherwise.

3) You said there was camera footage of the plane hitting the Pentagon? Can you link it? I don't feel like combing through this thread. Because if it's the one that I've seen... all I saw was a beam of red shoot across the screen and then disappear. Maybe the clip you're talking about is different?

I have no idea where this "beam of red" idea comes rom. There's only one clip and you can see the plane enter the frame at 0:05 and hit the wall at 0:06. No beam of red. It's not a great clip but that's all we get because security cameras have limited fps and no one expected to need to film something coming in at 400mph.

Let me be clear.. is what you're saying happened on 9/11 possible? Sure. But you asking me if family members talking to loved ones on flight 93.. and discussing what was going on is just as believable as the US government pulling some shyt like this, in order to gain access to foreign oil and to take down Al Qaeda. What's crazy to me is how hell bent you are in believing everything the government has fed you. And I'm no conspiracy theorist.. but for you to act like it's not possible that the US could pull a move like this, makes you seem naïve.

I'm not even talking about government, I just cited literally hundreds (in actuality thousands) of regular people including many who don't work for the government at all who would have to be lying for your theory to be even remotely plausible.


I'm glad that you acknowledge that my explanation is plausible. Because your explanation isn't. There is no reality where the government manages to orchastrate a massive conspiracy involving thousands of people including hundreds of WTC staff, first responders, random eyewitnesses in traffic, families of the victims, military personnel, air traffic controllers, scientists, and engineers who ALL would have to lie in order for their conspiracy to work. Nixon couldn't even get 6 men to keep their mouths shut about a robbery on the DNC. Mississippi couldn't even get 20 KKK members to keep their mouths shut about the murder of 3 civil rights workers. But the government was able to kill 3,000 people and get thousands and thousands of regular Americans to lie about it with zero leaks for 20 years....how?

No one has proposed the slightest explanation for why all those people are lying to support Bush's scheme. Just thinking about it doesn't make it true.