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Or even a post-1997 lens.

The Culture in itself most of those MCs treated it as a sacred art form. For you to drop wack anti-lyrical records, was blasphemous. Like, disrespecting your dignity as a man.

I"m so glad you use 1997 as a delineation date.

I tell people all the time that '97 was the year everything changed.

2pac died at the end of '96 and then Biggie died in March '97 and Hip-Hop aint been right since.:francis:
 

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I"m so glad you use 1997 as a delineation date.

I tell people all the time that '97 was the year everything changed.

2pac died at the end of '96 and then Biggie died in March '97 and Hip-Hop aint been right since.:francis:

Puffy made all that commercialism and shiny shyt, it was the anti-thesis of Public Enemy and even Wu Tang. Basically, a lot of people looked at Puff like the Black Vanilla Ice that happened to sign talented MCs. You let wackness be the norm, and the rap game never reached the level of legendary lyrical potency again.
 

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I"m so glad you use 1997 as a delineation date.

I tell people all the time that '97 was the year everything changed.

2pac died at the end of '96 and then Biggie died in March '97 and Hip-Hop aint been right since.:francis:

Telecommunications Act of 1996 played a big role too. It effectively consolidated all radio stations under a giant umbrella. That's when we stopped hearing Das EFX on the radio. It's when all radio stations started playing the same 5 songs 15 times a day for 3 months.

1997 is when the separation began between mainstream and underground and it definitely ain't been the same since
 

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Telecommunications Act of 1996 played a big role too. It effectively consolidated all radio stations under a giant umbrella. That's when we stopped hearing Das EFX on the radio. It's when all radio stations started playing the same 5 songs 15 times a day for 3 months.

1997 is when the separation began between mainstream and underground and it definitely ain't been the same since

And the quality went down a cliff, too.
 
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Puffy made all that commercialism and shiny shyt, it was the anti-thesis of Public Enemy and even Wu Tang. Basically, a lot of people looked at Puff like the Black Vanilla Ice that happened to sign talented MCs. You let wackness be the norm, and the rap game never reached the level of legendary lyrical potency again.

Puff being a black vanilla ice is absurd.
Puff opened a lot of doors for black ceo’s.
Having a label, clothing line, and restaurant.
He caught heat for all the sampling.
By 98 he was falling off by 99 he was a heel everybody hated puff at this time.
Thats why his album tanked for 99 standards only going double plat when his first album sold over 500,000 first week , went on to sell 7 million + and win a grammy
By 1999 mase was out the door and all puff really had was his r&b groups like faith evans and 112. Rza made comments about puff in 97-98 talking down on the sampling but let’s be honest the so called real hip hop mc music wu was bringing to the table from 93-96 was gone. Wu from 98 and on released a bunch of forgotten music nobody talks about that got brushed under the radar like sunzofman and wu killa bee’s that brouught no revenue to the game or drew any money. The things that make money now in hip hop are due to the credits of puff.
That includes also having a very successful hip hop tour in 97 “no way tour” that opened doors for “hard knock life tour” “ruff ryders/cash money tour”, etc etc.
The Fact that hip hop degreased in 97 is in somewhat ways bullshyt. Because the tools we're there to make money it’s just people didn’t utilize them correctly.
 

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Puff being a black vanilla ice is absurd.
Puff opened a lot of doors for black ceo’s.
Having a label, clothing line, and restaurant.
He caught heat for all the sampling.
By 98 he was falling off by 99 he was a heel everybody hated puff at this time.
Thats why his album tanked for 99 standards only going double plat when his first album sold over 500,000 first week , went on to sell 7 million + and win a grammy
By 1999 mase was out the door and all puff really had was his r&b groups like faith evans and 112. Rza made comments about puff in 97-98 talking down on the sampling but let’s be honest the so called real hip hop mc music wu was bringing to the table from 93-96 was gone. Wu from 98 and on released a bunch of forgotten music nobody talks about that got brushed under the radar like sunzofman and wu killa bee’s that brouught no revenue to the game or drew any money. The things that make money now in hip hop are due to the credits of puff.
That includes also having a very successful hip hop tour in 97 “no way tour” that opened doors for “hard knock life tour” “ruff ryders/cash money tour”, etc etc.
The Fact that hip hop degreased in 97 is in somewhat ways bullshyt. Because the tools we're there to make money it’s just people didn’t utilize them correctly.

You're talking about money, while we're talking about the culture. :francis:

Yeah, Puffy opened the door for a lot of cornball ass nikkaz making glossy pop music.

He didn't come before Russell Simmons or J. Prince or Suge Knight or Tony Draper or any of the other nikkaz who were putting out dope Hip-Hop while Puffy was getting Andre Harrell coffee.

He may have had a worst footprint on Hip-Hop than Vanilla Ice (Biggie not withstanding)
 
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You're talking about money, while we're talking about the culture. :francis:

Yeah, Puffy opened the door for a lot of cornball ass nikkaz making glossy pop music.

He didn't come before Russell Simmons or J. Prince or Suge Knight or Tony Draper or any of the other nikkaz who were putting out dope Hip-Hop while Puffy was getting Andre Harrell coffee.

He may have had a worst footprint on Hip-Hop than Vanilla Ice (Biggie not withstanding)

Bro Are You Really Concurring That Tony Draper & J Prince Did More Then Puff.

Rap-A-Lot Is One Of The Corniest Labels Ever. They Was Always A Fake Deathrow/No Limit. Tony Draper Claim To Fame Was Eightball And Mjg. And Yea Bringing Money To The Culture Is A Big Thing . Do You Work For Free And Tell Your Landlord well I Do It For The Culture Of Work. At The End of The Day its about the money. Only 2 Thing’s In The Rap Game That are real kid the money and the miles
 

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Bro Are You Really Concurring That Tony Draper & J Prince Did More Then Puff.

Rap-A-Lot Is One Of The Corniest Labels Ever. They Was Always A Fake Deathrow/No Limit. Tony Draper Claim To Fame Was Eightball And Mjg. And Yea Bringing Money To The Culture Is A Big Thing . Do You Work For Free And Tell Your Landlord well I Do It For The Culture Of Work. At The End of The Day its about the money. Only 2 Thing’s In The Rap Game That are real kid the money and the miles

Are you fukkin' high?

Master P & Suge Knight learned everything they know about running shyt from J. Prince.

nikka, you on some clown shyt:gucci:

Puff did so much because Puff & Jay kissed all them old Jews asses, while J. Prince & Suge stayed Black.

Why you think they aint gonna let Dame Dash rise again either. :francis:
 
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Are you fukkin' high?

Master P & Suge Knight learned everything they know about running shyt from J. Prince.

nikka, you on some clown shyt:gucci:

Puff did so much because Puff & Jay kissed all them old Jews asses, while J. Prince & Suge stayed Black.

Why you think they aint gonna let Dame Dash rise again either. :francis:


jay-z never sold out listen to 4:44
Jay kept it real as fukk for the status he’s in.
And he still keeps his ear to the street
jay still got them shooters around don’t get it .
 

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Suge kept his masters.

He was the only Black man with a major deal at that time (the early '90s) who could say that.

I swear that's why he got caught up so bad. Like I know he was into some shyt or whatever but I gotta believe he was targeted cause of his success and wealth and what it represented
 
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