A few questions for christians about heaven

tmonster

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You open the bible with the mindset that everything is true, period.
:whoa: too fast too fast


let's talk about this for a sec
Well, faith is belief that is not based on proof so that's exactly what I'm saying.
is such a thing as belief not based on proof (or some related iteration or permutation of proof ie repeated empiric observation, tested theory etc... )even possible?
doesn't all belief have to be based on some observation?
what is the reasoning behind faith? for example fill in the blank: people have faith because of ____________
 

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:whoa: too fast too fast


let's talk about this for a sec

is such a thing as belief not based on proof (or some related iteration or permutation of proof ie repeated empiric observation, tested theory etc... )even possible?
doesn't all belief have to be based on some observation?
what is the reasoning behind faith? for example fill in the blank: people have faith because of ____________

generally speaking, people have faith because they have no evidence that what they believe is justifiably true. we could dive into what do you mean by belief like is it based on a ideological or philosophical stance but as far as the bible goes, it's just blind faith.
 

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question: How should I go about believing "in the bible"? Normally, I need to see and understand things based on other things I believe in order to believe new things; for example, I believe gravity attracts matter to itself and based in this I believe other stuff about the behavior of matter. What do I need believe in order to believe in the bible?

In order to understand the Bible...you have to fit ALL these categories.

1. You need to be of the seed of Jacob, meaning the surviving paternal line from generation to generation needs to all the way back to that man. Today, nobody has documentation of what line they come from, that is why faith by the spirit. the prophecies specifially and your inner core and conviction proves that you are an Israelite, the real children of the Most High.

Psalms 147
19 He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel.
20 He hath not dealt so with any nation: and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the Lord.

Joel 2
27 And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the Lord your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.

Most High is the God of the nation (the seed line) of Israel and nobody else. He is the Lord God of Heaven and Earth and one set of people, the nation of Israel...not to be confused with the false state of Israel of lying Khazars that follow the Talmud.

2. The Most High has to choose you. You can't seek him unless he wants you to. He puts spiritual blocks on people and he will just give you something else to believe in...whether its Babylonian Christianity, Islam, Kemet, etc. He is cold like that. I can attest to it, He had me stuck on pro-black stuff for about 2 years before he opened up my spiritual eyes :pachaha:

John 15
6 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain

Another word for chosen is elected.

3.The Bible can only be understood and broken down by men he has already chosen. The the literal, allegorical, parabolic, prophesies and mysteries can only be understood my a small group of people. Keeping the commandments (ex; sabbaths, high holy days, dietary law, beard, etc) is key to getting understanding of the Bible.

Psalm 111
10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

So, if you are out here, celebrating Thanksgiving, Xmas, eating pork, eating lobster/shrimp/crawfish/catfish, breaking the sabbath just as examples. The Most High is in no way dealing with you. You will NEVER understand the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. It will be to you a sealed book to you.

Isaiah 29
1 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:

Romans 11
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

So even among the nation (the seed line) of Israel, the whole nation cannot get it...just the elect of the nation has it.
 
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generally speaking, people have faith because they have no evidence that what they believe is justifiably true. we could dive into what do you mean by belief like is it based on a ideological or philosophical stance but as far as the bible goes, it's just blind faith.
oh...I can't do that, I'm all about seeing.
Thanks for the conversation breh:cheers:
 

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In order to understand the Bible...you have to fit ALL these categories.

1. You need to be of the seed of Jacob, meaning the surviving paternal line from generation to generation needs to all the way back to that man.
:whoa: that would probably take me out of contention
I'll just have to do without :win:
 

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generally speaking, people have faith because they have no evidence that what they believe is justifiably true. we could dive into what do you mean by belief like is it based on a ideological or philosophical stance but as far as the bible goes, it's just blind faith.

Hebrews 11
1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

That is a cold cut right there :whew:

The Most High is only dealing with people that have faith. Not people that need actual high definition footage of events that occur in the Bible...nikkas like that, he will deceive then into believing in Amerikkka or some other bugged out doctrine. Faith in the Most High is an actual gift and it is not given to everybody. And the elemental part of having faith in the Most High is believing HIS Word.

Romans 10
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
 

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That is a cold cut right there :whew:

The Most High is only dealing with people that have faith. Not people that need actual high definition footage of events that occur in the Bible...nikkas like that, he will deceive then into believing in Amerikkka or some other bugged out doctrine. Faith in the Most High is an actual gift and it is not given to everybody. And the elemental part of having faith in the Most High is believing HIS Word.
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:whoa: that would probably take me out of contention
I'll just have to do without :win:

That is cool. Its not for you and at least you are convicted about that. Being without faith is clear sign that you are not a descendant of Jacob. As an Israelite, we do not want everybody to believe because we cannot make someone have faith, it has to already be in them...we know that the Most High only cares about getting a specific set of people in this current age.
 
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