A history behind black people not swimming

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A history behind black people not swimming: Jarvis DeBerry
Most conversations about black people's relatively poor swimming skills begin and end with the assumption that it's all black people's fault. For example, there are swimming pools and beaches all around this area, so if black people don't swim as well - so the thinking goes - it must be because black people don't want to know.

But what if there is a more sinister reason to black people's unfamiliarity with the water? What if it's as simple as the long history of black people being kept out of otherwise public pools and beaches?

In a blog post this week at grist.org, environment writerBrentin Mock describes the swimming pool as one of America's most racist institutions. Mock, who lived here between 2009 and 2013, opens his piece in 1930s New Orleans. The city was considering letting black people swim at the intersection of the Industrial Canal and Lake Pontchartrain. But white people protested - "rioted" is the word Mock uses - to keep black swimmers out.

He writes, "But during those decades when African Americans were kept out of New Orleans pools and beaches, black kids found other places to dive, like the dredged-out canals around the city and dangerous parts of the Mississippi River. These unauthorized swimming areas would end up stewing a steady news feed of drownings. By the 1940s, the NAACP estimated that 15 black children had been drowning each summer in the city.

"This chapter of New Orleans history helps explain some of the truths underlying the stereotype that black people don't swim - but also illustrates why that reputation is ill-deserved..."

Maybe black people in New Orleans swim less than white people because they associate swimming with death. And maybe they associate swimming with death because family members who gave swimming a try had to resort to deadlier waters.

Does that fully explain today's lower numbers of black swimmers? I don't know, but it has to account for some of it. Black parents and grandparents, who may have memories of exclusion and drownings, should make it a point to tell their children that there's nothing about their bodies that makes swimming more difficult, and they should stress to them the importance of learning how. It could be a matter of life and death. We reported in 2012 a statistic from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that says 70 percent of black children and 60 percent of Latino children don't know how to swim. Not surprisingly, according to that CDC report, black children drown about three times as often as their white counterparts.

Mock's piece was partially inspired by a 2012 book by Andrew Kahrl called "This Land Was Ours: African American Beaches from Jim Crow to the Sunbelt South."

In a follow-up piece - that includes an interview with Kahrl - Mock says that soon after Mississippi built its "longest manmade beach in the world" black landowners who lived on the coast were driven away.

Why don't black people swim as much? Better to ask why white people and the governments that did their bidding thought it so important to keep black people out of the water.

What do you think accounts for the lower number of black swimmers today? If you are black, what has been your experience with swimming in New Orleans? Have you and your children gone swimming at public pools? Have you taught your children to swim? Did anybody teach you?

Jarvis DeBerry can be reached at jdeberry@nola.com. Follow him at twitter.com/jarvisdeberry.

Correction: An earlier version of this column got the number of non-swimming Latino children wrong. According to the CDC, it's 60 percent.

http://www.nola.com/opinions/index.ssf/2014/05/a_history_behind_black_people.html
 

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These cousins were black and Latino and they knew how to swim. Open water is different from a swimming pool.

The grieving parents of two cousins who drowned Friday in Riverside Park in the Bronx are demanding the city erect a fence to prevent more tragedies.

The parents of Erickson Villa and Wellington Gavin, both 13, made their request during a press conference Monday on the floating pier in Starlight Park, from which their sons jumped into the Bronx River.

“We’re asking that the park be off limits or closed until the fence is put in,” said Erickson’s father, Robinson.
Erickson’s mother, Eva, added, “The gate won’t get my son back, but it will stop another mother from losing hers.”
The families noted that in 2010 two teens drowned while taking a dip in nearby River Park.

“Please put a gate around this river or close the park,” Eva Villa said. “What are you going to wait for?”
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Michael Schwartz/for New York Daily NewsWendy Villa, mother of drowned 13-year-old Wellington Gavin, collapses and is held by family and friends Monday at the scene where her son and his cousin Erickson Villa died.
Wellington's mother, Wendy Villa, was also on hand but too distraught to speak.

The parents also insisted their sons knew how to swim, contradicting earlier reports.

Erickson and Wellington drowned after diving into the river and getting caught in a strong current.


The park near 173rd St. has signs prohibiting swimming.

City Parks officials would not commit on erecting a fence, but said in a statement that they were “currently examining additional measures to ensure that our facilities remain as safe as possible to the public.”
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Michael Schwartz/for New York Daily NewsThe 13-year-old Bronx cousins knew how to swim, their parents said, despite earlier reports to the contrary.
A source said the city is considering installing additional signs forbidding swimming at the park and physical barriers such as a gate to discourage access to the river.

The heartbroken parents were joined by their sons’ classmates from Herman Ridder Intermediate School who left a makeshift shrine at the pier.

“My son will always be my baby,” Eva Villa said. “I wish it was me instead of my son.”

The parents also announced that a funeral for both boys will be held 3 p.m. Friday at Bridges Community Church on E. 174th St. in the Bronx.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...ens-families-beg-park-fence-article-1.1841065
 

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(For audio of the radio program click either link)

http://www.wnyc.org/audio/m3u/386892/

Drowning Is Quieter And Quicker Than You Might Think


Francesco Pia is a former lifeguard who has become an expert on lifeguard training and drowning prevention. Here & Now’s Robin Young first talked to him in 2010 about some of the common myths about drowning, including the myth that those who are drowning call for help.

Pia said that because drowning people are suffocating and don’t have the air to call for help, “it was the rule rather than the exception that there were people surrounding the drowning person that did not realize the drowning was occurring.” He also said that “the struggle of the drowning person ranges from 20 seconds to 60 seconds.”

http://www.wnyc.org/story/a-summer-reminder-drowning-is-quieter-and-quicker-than-you-might-think/
 

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70%!!! Only African Americans somehow seem to be unable to swim. Every other type of black person (European, Caribbean, Brazilian, African) I've met can swim. Matter fact I don't know anyone that can't swim. It's not hard to swim. At all. FFS white people teach their babies to flip over and float before they can even walk.
 

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70%!!! Only African Americans somehow seem to be unable to swim. Every other type of black person (European, Caribbean, Brazilian, African) I've met can swim. Matter fact I don't know anyone that can't swim. It's not hard to swim. At all. FFS white people teach their babies to flip over and float before they can even walk.
No one is unable to swim a lot of people don't learn when young then develop a fear of swimming
 

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I blame single mothers.


No seriously though, my mom would always tell me to stay out of the deep end of the water or I would end up drowning!:damn:

It was then that I became :merchant: and developed a fear of swimming.

It wasn't until college and when I took a swim test that I finally learned to swim and realized water wasn't scary. Single black mothers are too aggressive and overprotective of their children to where they don't develop a natural curiosity to learn and explore. I even see it with my big sister to where she will yell at her son all the time assuming he is going to get hurt. That single mom mentality is destructive to being successful in life.
 

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There was a long ass thread like this on sohh.

I agree about single black non swimming moms... being aggressively fearful.

I agree about historical access (or lack of it) influencing on how the generations came up.

I used to interview a ton of people... and as a private joke to myself.. I'd ask all the black people about some random spot and ask if they could swim.. the answer was almost always.. NO. idk if this joking around was c00nish of me or not... but it wasn't the only things I would ask... shyt, we are programmed by history and conditions.
 

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I blame single mothers.


No seriously though, my mom would always tell me to stay out of the deep end of the water or I would end up drowning!:damn:

It was then that I became :merchant: and developed a fear of swimming.

It wasn't until college and when I took a swim test that I finally learned to swim and realized water wasn't scary. Single black mothers are too aggressive and overprotective of their children to where they don't develop a natural curiosity to learn and explore. I even see it with my big sister to where she will yell at her son all the time assuming he is going to get hurt. That single mom mentality is destructive to being successful in life.


:comeon: So "single mothers" are solely the reason for people not being successful?

... Yuck, I need to wash my short term memory of your bullsh#t philosophy. :scusthov: Such shallow assumptions drive the good point you were about to arrive at right off a ramp & into a blackhole.


:leon: Boy, you like a smart-dumb-as$ magician. Alekazam muhphucka!!
 

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i cant float :manny::heh:....for real...i try to float face down, on my back and my lower half sinks almost immediately

i cant tread water :yeshrug:

i can swim to save my life and have to keep moving, or else I'll sink :heh:

i was never taught to swim, dont have a fear of water

i'm black

i'm from the West Indies

:manny:
 

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My parents sent me to swimming lessons at the Y and we had a pool where we used to live so i could practice. Once you learn how to tread water, everything else falls in line. Thats what i reccomend friends learn, Treading water. Also, friends. Please learn proper protocol to save people who may be drowning. If hes around your size, be VERY careful. I was almost killed trying to save someone that was drowning. Its not like the movies where they just let you take them to safety. They will grab you, they will climb on you and they will try to drown you so they can live.

I believe a lot of friends of african descent dont learn how to swim because they do not have pools in many african descent schools and the obvious, the parents are not sending them to swimming lessons.
 

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i cant float :manny::heh:....for real...i try to float face down, on my back and my lower half sinks almost immediately

i cant tread water :yeshrug:

i can swim to save my life and have to keep moving, or else I'll sink :heh:

i was never taught to swim, dont have a fear of water

i'm black

i'm from the West Indies

:manny:

:what: Live on an Island and can't swim, brehs.







It's actually common in the Islands most people develop a fear of getting into water because of strong currents and drownings.
 
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