A Libertarian view on race and race issues

[Maschine_Man]

Maybe you should try being objective yourself first and admit you are a Trump supporter.

Show me saying I'm a Trump supporter bruh.....

seems like you don't even understand what being objective is.

see, I can agree with deporting illegal immigrants and still be pro-choice. I can agree with the 2nd amendment and still agree with stricter gun control
I can agree that Obamacare was terrible but still think that America should have Free Healthcare.

because I'm not blindly following the party line. I can think for myself.

Unlike the herd mentality expressed here by too many.

 

[Crakface]

You'll notice with a lot of these "libertarians" they are against federal government interference when its perceived that it is helping minority groups. However they welcome it when they perceive it to be helping themselves.

Libertarian doesnt trump white racist ideology.

They have a million ways to dress it up

 

[Maschine_Man]

Libertarian doesnt trump white racist ideology.

They have a million ways to dress it up

true, that also includes Democrats/Liberals.

which is why I find it sad to see so many ppl blindly following Democrats and holding them up as some morally higher group than Conservatives.


Neither side has your best interest at heart.

 

[Crakface]

true, that also includes Democrats/Liberals.

which is why I find it sad to see so many ppl blindly following Democrats and holding them up as some morally higher group than Conservatives.


Neither side has your best interest at heart.

Racist socialists vs racist facists.

One wants to be your daddy the other wants to put you in an oven and literally enslave you.

For the sake of survival socialists buy a targeted people more time.

 

[Maschine_Man]

Racist socialists vs racist facists.

One wants to be your daddy the other wants to put you in an oven and literally enslave you.

For the sake of survival socialists buy a targeted people more time.

buy more time??
for what?

how long to ppl have to wait for this system to change?? it's been how many 100's of years?

 

[Crakface]

buy more time??
for what?

how long to ppl have to wait for this system to change?? it's been how many 100's of years?

Buy time to wash out bad blood and make economic progress instead of having that potential progress stifled by overt corporatist racists elected into office.

 

[DEAD7]

 

[ⒶⓁⒾⒶⓈ]

There are some libertarian concepts which fit nicely into the civil rights context. There are certain examples of using "freedom of contract" to keep states and individuals from impairing black businesses.

But that's pretty much where it ends. Libertarians' complete unwillingness to police anything except explicit, de jure racism and their general suspicion of federal civil rights laws makes this whole thread a nonstarter.

Why would they need to police de facto racism in the absence of state power it will be self limiting,economically injurious and probably even socially inappropriate...

And federal civil rights legislation is an attempt to undo all the previous legislation that upheld racism...its like the same person who stabbed you is now stitching up your wounds ...theres good cause to be suspicious.

 

[ghostwriterx]

Why would they need to police de facto racism in the absence of state power it will be self limiting,economically injurious and probably even socially inappropriate...

And federal civil rights legislation is an attempt to undo all the previous legislation that upheld racism...its like the same person who stabbed you is now stitching up your wounds ...theres good cause to be suspicious.

What exactly would that look like?

 

[714562]

Why would they need to police de facto racism in the absence of state power it will be self limiting,economically injurious and probably even socially inappropriate...

It doesn't always take explicit displays of state power to propagate racism, nor is racism always "self-limiting" or "economically injurious." In certain contexts, you might find it more economically injurious to not be a racist.

And federal civil rights legislation is an attempt to undo all the previous legislation that upheld racism...its like the same person who stabbed you is now stitching up your wounds ...theres good cause to be suspicious.

Not really? Most federal civil rights legislation seeks to prevent discrimination under color of state law. There are certainly examples of federal laws being racist, but de jure racism has historically been the province of state governments.

 

[ghostwriterx]

Show me saying I'm a Trump supporter bruh.....

seems like you don't even understand what being objective is.

see, I can agree with deporting illegal immigrants and still be pro-choice. I can agree with the 2nd amendment and still agree with stricter gun control
I can agree that Obamacare was terrible but still think that America should have Free Healthcare.

because I'm not blindly following the party line. I can think for myself.

Unlike the herd mentality expressed here by too many.

For someone who doesn't claim to be a Republican/Trump supporter, you sure spend a lot of time defending him/Republican policies.
Weren't you just defending the GOP expanding Voter ID Laws?: Leostare:
Now you're arguing for LESS "state interference" as a response to racism?

 

[boskey]

Why would they need to police de facto racism in the absence of state power it will be self limiting,economically injurious and probably even socially inappropriate...

And federal civil rights legislation is an attempt to undo all the previous legislation that upheld racism...its like the same person who stabbed you is now stitching up your wounds ...theres good cause to be suspicious.

With income disparity what it is, the idea that racism would be economically injurious is laughable. Racism is selling point for many businesses...to black and white consumers alike (as well as latino and asian etc). A blacker customer base lowers perceived value and a whiter one raises it...

 

[Dr. Acula]

Why would they need to police de facto racism in the absence of state power it will be self limiting,economically injurious and probably even socially inappropriate...

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I heard you don't live in the US. Is this true breh? If so it would explain the naivety you just expressed here.

You libertarians always get me with this one.

"The majority, aka whites, will not shop or support businesses that are racist or discriminate"

This is why chik-fil-a didn't experience a surge of "activist" consumers in their product after the CEO spoke out against gay marriage.

Also trust, a lot of white people wouldn't mind losing some money in order to maintain white supremacy and practice racism. If they could give up a year of their paycheck to see all black people exterminated, a surprising number of them would.

This nasty part of human nature, libertarians can never address in a satisfactory manner.

Unfortunately, as long as most of the power and numbers reside with a segment of the population that hopes to oppress another, government even though its not perfect is the best chance you got as a buffer against tyranny by the majority as a minority. Its an equalizer as far as power is concerned.

Personally, I just want to eventually get out of this country to get away from this problem once and for all.

 

[Red Shield]

You'll notice with a lot of these "libertarians" they are against federal government interference when its perceived that it is helping minority groups. However they welcome it when they perceive it to be helping themselves.

You already know


And it's so obvious once you start paying any attention.

 

[David_TheMan]

Yea yea yea, another race thread, another political thread. But before you jump to conclusions just watch this video and see why some of us don't think like a lot of ppl in here and believe that more government is the solution.

Anyway, this dude is pretty cool, I've been following him for awhile. And his libertarian views and approach would be welcomed in today's political climate.




And for the record(despite telling ppl over and over) I am not a Republican nor a Democrat...nor am I a libertarian. I do however like certain policies and standpoint from each one.

Nice video.
He seems like he was reading Defending the Undefensible