WaveCapsByOscorp™
2021 Grammy Award Winner
I never spoke to you personally, so why are you taking it so personally? I’ll wait for your answer...
Really there’s no point in challenging my suggestion.
A message from planned parenthood to black women
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Really there’s no point in challenging my suggestion.
Breh you came in this thread with this post
Who was that directed at exactly? The OP?
Who in this thread were you trying to refrain from calling stupid for not doing RESEARCH as you put it?
Because to me it seemed like you came in here thinking that the tweet was fake, made that post, and then realized that this is actually the view of PP.
Bunchy Carter
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WaveCapsByOscorp™
2021 Grammy Award Winner
I guess whomever it applied to. It pretty much applies to everyone. And me not calling y’all stupid, I don’t see what’s wrong with me saying I wasn’t going to do that. I see threads in here day in and day out that are poorly done. That’s what makes me feel like calling y’all that. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with saying RESEARCH.
You took it personally and that’s okay. It’s probably because you thought I was talking to you. Or that I had no reason (?) or no place to say that. I think I do. If you don’t, whatever. If you even look at my other response, none of y’all even mustered efforts to provide their facts and analyze their comments. I illustrated in two paragraphs what you’ve failed to reveal in multiple posts. You’d rather start with sarcasm, the tool of the childish, than tear their statement apart. That’s what I mean when I say this forum is really poor when it comes to actually having intelligent conversations.
AlainLocke
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The maternal mortality rate has been increasing...
Which actually coincides with the increasing wealth and income inequality...
And this mostly affects Black and Latino women
The quiet crisis among African Americans: Pregnancy and childbirth are killing women at inexplicable rates
Black women in Texas are dying at the highest rates of all. A 2016 joint report by the Texas Department of State Health Services’ Maternal Mortality and Morbidity Task Force found that black mothers accounted for 11.4% of Texas births in 2011 and 2012, but 28.8% of pregnancy-related deaths.
“In an ideal world, a woman would have the opportunity to have a visit with a physician before she becomes pregnant to identify any potential risk factors before she gets pregnant,” said Hollier. “Then a woman would enter prenatal in her first trimester. Unfortunately, African American women are the least likely to have that first trimester of prenatal care.”
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If you are a poor Black woman and can't already afford a baby and the medical care to have one and then on top of that pregnancy is a life or death event in your life...you are better off getting an abortion...
Why you gonna risk your life to have a kid you can't even afford?
But even then, I don't think Planned Parenthood is encouraging Black women to get abortions.
Which actually coincides with the increasing wealth and income inequality...
And this mostly affects Black and Latino women
The quiet crisis among African Americans: Pregnancy and childbirth are killing women at inexplicable rates
Black women in Texas are dying at the highest rates of all. A 2016 joint report by the Texas Department of State Health Services’ Maternal Mortality and Morbidity Task Force found that black mothers accounted for 11.4% of Texas births in 2011 and 2012, but 28.8% of pregnancy-related deaths.
“In an ideal world, a woman would have the opportunity to have a visit with a physician before she becomes pregnant to identify any potential risk factors before she gets pregnant,” said Hollier. “Then a woman would enter prenatal in her first trimester. Unfortunately, African American women are the least likely to have that first trimester of prenatal care.”
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If you are a poor Black woman and can't already afford a baby and the medical care to have one and then on top of that pregnancy is a life or death event in your life...you are better off getting an abortion...
Why you gonna risk your life to have a kid you can't even afford?
But even then, I don't think Planned Parenthood is encouraging Black women to get abortions.
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Read the post you quoted again. I didn't think you were talking to me, I thought you were talking to the OP because you said "circulating information" which is what he was doing.
You assumed the post was fake, and you reprimanded the OP for not researching to see if it was real before making a thread about it. That much is clear as day. There's no reason to deny it.
As far as their red herring of a statement:
- The CDC reports that 35% of all aborted children are black
- 35%.... from a group that is 13% of the population. And those are from reported abortions, so they do not include back alley procedures.
- Per capita, we have abortions are a rate that is more than double white people, and nearly double
Hispanics
- The founder of planned parenthood, Sanger, states (and i quote) to discourage “the defective and diseased elements of humanity” from their “reckless and irresponsible swarming and spawning.”
This is modus operandi of planned parenthood. Research the Negro Project if you don't believe me.
So when an organization founded on the extinction of black people tells us that it is safer for a black woman to have an abortion rather than carry out a full pregnancy, we can read between and lines and decipher that their concern is not the safety of the black woman, but rather the extinction of the black race.
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The maternal mortality rate has been increasing...
Which actually coincides with the increasing wealth and income inequality...
And this mostly affects Black and Latino women
The quiet crisis among African Americans: Pregnancy and childbirth are killing women at inexplicable rates
Black women in Texas are dying at the highest rates of all. A 2016 joint report by the Texas Department of State Health Services’ Maternal Mortality and Morbidity Task Force found that black mothers accounted for 11.4% of Texas births in 2011 and 2012, but 28.8% of pregnancy-related deaths.
“In an ideal world, a woman would have the opportunity to have a visit with a physician before she becomes pregnant to identify any potential risk factors before she gets pregnant,” said Hollier. “Then a woman would enter prenatal in her first trimester. Unfortunately, African American women are the least likely to have that first trimester of prenatal care.”
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If you are a poor Black woman and can't already afford a baby and the medical care to have one and then on top of that pregnancy is a life or death event in your life...you are better off getting an abortion...
Why you gonna risk your life to have a kid you can't even afford?
But even then, I don't think Planned Parenthood is encouraging Black women to get abortions.
Well, you're wrong if you dont think planned parenthood is encouraging black women to get abortions. I mean even a cursory glance at history will show you that.
As far as the data you have provided, I find it interesting that this is seen as a pregnancy issue and not a class/wealth issue.
It is not like black women are dying more in childbirth because of some genetic flaw that causes black women to just not be able to make it when giving birth. Its clearly due to wealth and access to medical treatment/preparation/information.
So instead of focusing on those factors, the answer is just to remove pregnancy from the equation wholesale?
I personally don't agree with that line of thinking, especially when the organization promoting it was founded on the extinction of black people.
AlainLocke
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AlainLocke
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It is a pregnancy issue and a class and wealth issue...
Lower income people tend to reproduce more...because they don't have access to birth control. High income people don't reproduce that much. You can see that in any advanced nations, such as Japan, Korea, USA, Western Europe....they don't reproduce enough to even replace their population.
Pregnancy have historically been a dangerous event in the lives of women and babies.
Planned Parenthood wasn't about trying to kill off Black people, I addressed that in another post in this thread. That's a myth by conservatives, Black and White, to prevent the access to reproductive healthcare to women and low income. And a modern understanding of eugenics and scientific racism and a couple of selected quotes. If you read the works of Margret Sanger her intention wasn't trying to kill off Black people.
Planned Parenthood provides condoms, birth control, STD tests and abortions at a low cost. It doesn't just provide abortions. Even Planned Parenthood back then didn't provide abortions.
I been in Planned Parenthood for an STD test and condoms.
WaveCapsByOscorp™
2021 Grammy Award Winner
I didn’t assume anything. I said research actually. That implied not taking things at face value. Yes, that goes for anyone and anything in this forum, any piece of information.
And those percentages aren’t based on PPs stats. I think when you’re trying to accuse a specific organization of something, it’s best to look at how many people they’re personal responsible for, not just percentages and over all numbers. Just a suggestion.
First, I whole-hardheartedly disagree with you on Sanger for the simple fact that her efforts were directed at black people first and foremost when the true deciding factor was class, not wealth. We can go into more detail on that but I want to touch on your ethical view because I believe that this has always been at the heart of this debate.
This all comes down to ethics.
It is clear from this post that you subscribe to a Utilitarian ethical mindset where you believe that what is right is what is deemed best for the majority down the line.
Less black poor people running around is good for the black society and society as a whole, etc etc. And if a poor black woman is made to see things in this light, all the better correct? This is basically the framework of Eugenics. Remove the unwanted trash and keep the good. But then question is raised, who determines what is unwanted trash? Why do 13% of the population make up more than a 1/3rd of all abortions? From a Eugenic mindset, are black people just really the bulk of societies unwanted trash?
Now they clear distinction here with something like say... ethnic cleansing is that no one is forcing these women to have abortions.... well not directly at least. But if the factors that are leading to black people being at the bottom of the "desirable citizens" list are not being addressed... well then this really is an indirect endorsement.
It would be like post slavery the issue was "Black people don't know how to read, and therefore make our society less intelligent" Ok, would one purpose means of education and schooling to bridge the gap, or indentured servitude where reading is not required? As well versed in history as i'm sure you are, you already know what happened... slaves went back to being slaves.
Believe or not, I have no issue with a "Planned Pregnancy" in the most literal sense of the phrase, and who am I to take a decision out of the hands of a pregnant woman. I just see an ulterior motive in the actions of a group founded by a woman who viewed that race-based extermination was the solution to a class-based problem.
As she stated in her now infamous letter to black leaders, "We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members,"
Planned parenthood is the largest abortion provider in the United States
Planned parenthood does not report abortions by race.
And these are not number values, they are percentages.
So unless you are stating that planned parenthood does a disproportionately (when compared to national %s) higher amount of white abortions vs black abortions, the numbers should remain relatively the same.
In all honesty, I believe that if they did have numbers based on race, we would find that they do even more black abortions (% of total) vs the national average and it would only prove my point even more.
Which is probably why they have no intention of doing so.
Or at least none that I can find so far. If you've had better luck in finding such numbers, please share them. I would love to see them.
AlainLocke
Banned
"We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members,"
That quote in that letter is taken out of context. And I know that quote.
She was pretty much saying...I don't want the people I am trying to help to think I am trying to exterminate Black people, so it is better if someone that is Black and have influence over the community can explain it to them better than I can since they probably don't trust me since I am a White woman.
And here you are, thinking she wanna exterminate Black people because of a quote, trying to explain to a doctor, we need Black ministers to explain we don't wanna exterminate Black people. Which is funny.
Cause there are no other inflammatory quotes like that. There are more quotes talking about how Black people need to have access to reproductive help to better our lives.
For example this quote...from The Public Papers of Margaret Sanger: Web Edition
I am deeply aware of the needless hazards to which Negro babies are subjected at birth in the United States at the present time. Last year 77 per cent of all white babies were born in hospitals, but less than half of the Negro mothers--43 per cent to be exact--were given hospital protection for themselves and their babies. Some day, if plans of such agencies as the U.S. Public Health Service are realized, there will not be a single section of the country without adequate hospital facilities for all. But until that day is here, Negro mothers should be given all possible protection against needless sacrifice through childbearing.
If Margret Sanger wanted us to die out, she would've left things how they were for us and give the benefits of reproductive medical care to only Whites.
She can't wanna exterminate us and at the same time help us. And how she is going to exterminate Black people by teaching Black people how to use condoms, family planning and birth control? Abortions were illegal in many states. shyt us having kids were dwindling our population more than us not having kids. Black mothers and babies were dying.
The reason why Black women have more abortions is because like I said.
We are a poor and young population. Majority of abortions are for women in their 20s. Black people We don't have access to reproductive healthcare like other races do. Black people have the highest percentage of unintended pregnancies and when we cannot afford a child and we don't use condoms, birth control pills and etc...we end up aborting.
We wouldn't have to abort if we have prerequisite wealth to have a kid. We wouldn't have to abort if we had adequate reproductive healthcare and knowledge. We wouldn't have to abort if we weren't so damn young.
Unintended Pregnancy in the United States
- Unintended pregnancy rates are highest among poor and low-income women, women aged 18–24, cohabiting women and minority women.[8] Rates tend to be lowest among higher-income women, white women, college graduates and married women. For example, in 2011, the rate of unintended pregnancy among higher-income white women was less than half the national rate (18 vs. 45 unintended pregnancies per 1,000 women aged 15–44).[8]
- The rate of unintended pregnancy among poor women (those with incomes below the federal poverty level) was 112 per 1,000 in 2011, more than five times the rate among women with incomes of at least 200% of the federal poverty level (20 per 1,000).[8]
- At 79 per 1,000, the unintended pregnancy rate for black women in 2011 was more than double that of non-Hispanic white women (33 per 1,000).[8]
- Women without a high school degree had the highest unintended pregnancy rate among all educational levels in 2011 (73 per 1,000), and rates were lower for women with more years of education.[8]
- Two-thirds (68%) of U.S. women at risk for unintended pregnancy use contraceptives consistently and correctly throughout the course of any given year; these women account for only 5% of all unintended pregnancies. By contrast, the 18% of women at risk who use contraceptives inconsistently or incorrectly account for 41% of all unintended pregnancies. The 14% of women at risk who do not practice contraception at all or who have gaps of a month or more during the year account for 54% of all unintended pregnancies.[1]
- Publicly funded family planning services help women avoid pregnancies they do not want and plan pregnancies they do want. In 2014, these services helped women avoid two million unintended pregnancies, which would likely have resulted in 900,000 unplanned births and nearly 700,000 abortions.[16]
- Without publicly funded family planning services, U.S. rates of unintended pregnancy, unplanned birth and abortion for 2014 would have been 68% higher.[16]
- The costs associated with unintended pregnancy would be even higher if not for continued federal and state investments in family planning services. In 2010, the nationwide public investment in family planning services resulted in $13.6 billion in net savings from helping women avoid unintended pregnancies and a range of other negative reproductive health outcomes, such as HIV and other STIs, cervical cancer and infertility.[17]
- Had publicly funded family planning services not existed, the public costs of unintended pregnancies in 2010 might have been 75% higher.[15]
Poor people shouldn't have children. Young people shouldn't have children. The costs are high for the parents and the child and society.
And yes, you have to address the socioeconomic factors, but you still gotta prevent people an already vulnerable underclass from growing by giving them the means to manage their own reproduction.
Abortion is a last ditch option if reproductive health education and outreach doesn't work.
Any comprehensive solution to raise a nation or a people out of poverty is going to include reproductive health and provide measures like abortion.
An institution likle Planned Parenthood is only one of the tools that is needed for us to improve our condition. We still need reparations, job programs, educational programs that are government funded since I am a socialist/communist, I believe government should provide shyt like that for it's citizens, especially us. The attacks on Planned Parenthood always include this myth that Margret Sanger wanted to exterminate Black people...when that's completely false.
GetInTheTruck
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These people are demons man.
Edit: I was about to say....
Edit: I was about to say....
mufukkaz believing fake accounts now