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A Wiseman Told Me Never Argue With Fools: Official 2021 Warriors Season Thread
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The Warriors think James Wiseman is spectacular. How can you tell?
One, the tempering of expectations. They are quick to point out his rookie-ness and the mistakes he is making. Usually, it’s the other way around, highlighting the understated strengths and skills to distract from flaws. But with Wiseman, tongues are being bitten.
“I know all of our fans are probably hoping he’s gonna be David Robinson when he steps out on the floor,” Steve Kerr said over Zoom on Wednesday. “But picture David Robinson as a sophomore at Navy. That’s that’s the guy you’re comparing him to, not the All-Star with the Spurs.”
Two, he’s in the Draymond Green mentorship program. When Wiseman was asked Wednesday about whether a player has taken him under his wing, he was immediate and succinct in his response.
“Draymond.”
If Green is putting his arms around a youngster, it’s because he believes he is special and can help get the Warriors back to the top.
Three: Wiseman missed the first week of a short camp and won’t play in any preseason games (not even Thursday because Kerr said it would be “unfair” to him), yet he still might start the season opener in Brooklyn next Tuesday. Kevon Looney has started both preseason games and meshed well with Stephen Curry. Marquese Chriss has looked good enough to be considered. And since they are slow-walking the Wiseman unveiling, it would make sense if they just declared him a backup for the opener.
“I wouldn’t necessarily say that,” Kerr said. “I think it could be any of the three. It just sort of depends on where we are on, you know, next Tuesday.”
Truth is, though, the excitement about Wiseman is palpable. Wednesday was his first full scrimmage and it only added to why they’re drooling behind the scenes over what he could be in two to three years. He does things in practice that make them give each other that you-see-what-he-just-did look.
In the immediate? Wiseman should be able to contribute something from the outset. If not the first couple of games, early in the season. He is not like other big men they’ve had who needed a year or two of grooming before they could step onto the court. Nor should he be like those, since Wiseman was the No. 2 pick. But from what the Warriors have seen, in the short time they’ve had him, the floor looks pretty high.
The Warriors like their big men cerebral. From Andrew Bogut to Zaza Pachulia to David West, they’ve had a bunch of bigs who knew how to play and could flow with the top-end talent they were on the floor with. Passing, setting good screens, being in the right place on defense, proper spacing, knowing when a hard foul was needed. Bigs bring the little things for the Warriors while the stars do the sexy stuff. The Warriors could use some sexy stuff, especially since Klay Thompson is out again this season, but who they are as a team still requires those little things. So Wiseman is going to have to show he can do those. But he’s already showing he can do the sexy stuff.
Wiseman could very well start his career where JaVale McGee’s peaked for the Warriors — a legit 7-footer who can run the floor, finish powerfully at the rim, rebound and block shots. The Warriors would take that right now. Need it, even. But what jumps out about Wiseman is what is possible beyond that and how well it fits the franchise’s vision.
“My body has matured tremendously,” Wiseman said. “I’m being more vocal on the defensive end. And also I’m just learning because the NBA and college is way different. So I’m just learning the different processes and just like the different fundamental skills to build my game and just develop my game as a whole. So I’m just trying to learn trying to get better every day. Listen to my vets and just play hard.”
The first thing to notice about Wiseman is his size. He’s huge, especially on a team with players who are 6-9, 6-9 and 6-7 as the other options at center. But his size is what makes another element really standout: speed.
Wiseman can move. The Warriors want to get up and down, swarm on defense and live in transition. Wiseman won’t have a problem keeping up. He doesn’t have a feel for the NBA game yet, or the Warriors’ scheme. But he’s able to do something.
“He made some great plays using his athleticism and his speed,” Kerr said.
The juggle for the Warriors has been between athleticism and size, speed and girth. They created their small lineup — remember the Death Lineup? — because they wanted to play faster, but Green at center didn’t sacrifice defense and rebounding despite his 6-7 height. But if they can stay big and stay fast?
Wiseman, after skipping the remainder of the college season when he was ruled ineligible at Memphis, relocated to Miami, where his agent is based. He started the process of preparing for the NBA Draft and getting his game ready for the league. He linked up with Miami Hoop School and put his considerable talents in the hands of noted trainer Andrew Moran. He’d then go to DBC Fitness and work on his body with David Alexander. Then at night, return to Miami Hoop School and get some more work done.
Five days a week for eight months, he put in the work. He’s on the Instagrams of both Miami Hoop School and DBC Fitness on March 5, wearing the same shirt.
Moran said they spent a lot of time building on his skill set because they had a lot of time before last month’s draft. They took their time, pieced together his game. They worked a lot of ballhandling and footwork because it was evident immediately Wiseman could handle the ball. Moran even had him running the pick-and-roll as the ballhandler. They worked on refining his jumper, which came with a soft touch and a strong left-handed base. They watched a lot of film — including some Anthony Davis and some David Robinson.
“Just his rebounding ability,” Wiseman said when asked what he could mimic from the film he saw on Robinson. “(His ability) to run the floor and be vocal on defense, and also just be a defensive anchor. I watched the defensive part more because I figured out I can make a great impact on the defensive end more. So just paying attention to that. Just the defensive end, most definitely.”
The runs at Miami Hoop School would give Wiseman and Moran a chance to put that work into action. These were NBA pick-up games with proven players such as James Harden, John Wall, D’Angelo Russell, Tim Hardaway Jr., James Johnson and Michael Beasley. Imagine the pace.
“One day it was like 10 NBA guys playing,” Moran said over the phone on Wednesday. “He got some good experience to play with high-level guys and see the speed of it, see the athleticism and strength. The thing is — he’s big. We’ve seen big. We’ve seen strong. But his mobility is incredible. That was so impressive to me. He’s so massive and big, yet he moves so well. We worked on bringing it up in transition. We worked on a lot of downhill stuff with him.”
What Wiseman doesn’t have is experience and the big question is how fast he learns and whether he can avoid repeating the mistakes that keep him off the floor. Green is already imploring the rookie to be patient. Kerr makes sure to underscore the mistakes Wiseman is making in practice. There is a feel to the game, an instinct required to anchor a defense.
With all his talent, it’s a different animal going against grown men with children to feed. The scouting report has a way of exposing weaknesses. So the Warriors will have to balance playing up his strengths, hiding his weaknesses and keeping his confidence up through it all. Confidence early is everything. So much potential and so many careers have been crushed in the mortar and pestle of hype.
That’s part of why, assuredly, the Warriors are preaching patience with Wiseman.
Also, he’s got to prove durable, which is never an absolute certainty with 7-footers. He’s played three games since high graduating East High in Memphis in 2019, so even a shortened 72-game NBA season will be daunting.
That leads to another piece that has stood out about Wiseman: his motor.
“I say my maturity — I’m very mature for my age for my player development,” Wiseman said. “So, yeah, I say the maturity part. That’s all it, really; I mean, I really don’t pay attention to social media like this. I really don’t know what they’d be talking about. So I really just focus on basketball. So, yeah.”
One of the questions about Wiseman, which is a question for many big men, is whether he has that internal drive to dominate. Especially for a big man in the modern NBA, where it’s all about pace and space, a motor is paramount. To be big and play both ends, you can’t be coaxed into that.
The Warriors can work on his play in the low post and high post. They can get to incorporating his shooting. They will work on his ability to stay with guards on the pick-and-roll, being a reliable presence from the weakside, finding the kick-outs and cutters. But first, can he go hard? Can he not be so paralyzed from trying to remember everything and just go?
So far, Wiseman has been all energy, all hustle. Stephen Curry said he was like a puppy being loosed from his cage in his first workouts with the team. If this is who he is, it bodes well for his ability to grow.
“He goes hard,” Moran said. “Every time we worked with him, this dude could do more and more. I think he can be an instant contributor because of how hard he plays when he goes in. And he’s playing with Steph Curry and Draymond. I see him contributing immediately. He’s a quiet kid. Really nice. But his competitive energy and how hard he plays is incredible. The best part of his game is his motor, in my opinion. Even with all that skill he has, the best part of his game is how hard he goes and how much he wants to compete.”
But all of that is hype, and the Warriors want to turn that down. They don’t want people expecting to see an instant All-Star the moment he steps on the court. They don’t want you to go crazy imagining Wiseman and Curry on offense and Wiseman and Green on defense. His 19-year-old shoulders don’t need to be weighed down with lofty expectations out of the gate. They haven’t had talent like this out of the draft in years — and their reputation for player development is on the line — so they’re going to manage this with the utmost meticulousness, put him in position to succeed. So don’t go daydreaming yet about championships and a return to glory.
And if the Warriors don’t want you thinking it yet, that probably means that, privately, they already are.
One, the tempering of expectations. They are quick to point out his rookie-ness and the mistakes he is making. Usually, it’s the other way around, highlighting the understated strengths and skills to distract from flaws. But with Wiseman, tongues are being bitten.
“I know all of our fans are probably hoping he’s gonna be David Robinson when he steps out on the floor,” Steve Kerr said over Zoom on Wednesday. “But picture David Robinson as a sophomore at Navy. That’s that’s the guy you’re comparing him to, not the All-Star with the Spurs.”
Two, he’s in the Draymond Green mentorship program. When Wiseman was asked Wednesday about whether a player has taken him under his wing, he was immediate and succinct in his response.
“Draymond.”
If Green is putting his arms around a youngster, it’s because he believes he is special and can help get the Warriors back to the top.
Three: Wiseman missed the first week of a short camp and won’t play in any preseason games (not even Thursday because Kerr said it would be “unfair” to him), yet he still might start the season opener in Brooklyn next Tuesday. Kevon Looney has started both preseason games and meshed well with Stephen Curry. Marquese Chriss has looked good enough to be considered. And since they are slow-walking the Wiseman unveiling, it would make sense if they just declared him a backup for the opener.
“I wouldn’t necessarily say that,” Kerr said. “I think it could be any of the three. It just sort of depends on where we are on, you know, next Tuesday.”
Truth is, though, the excitement about Wiseman is palpable. Wednesday was his first full scrimmage and it only added to why they’re drooling behind the scenes over what he could be in two to three years. He does things in practice that make them give each other that you-see-what-he-just-did look.
In the immediate? Wiseman should be able to contribute something from the outset. If not the first couple of games, early in the season. He is not like other big men they’ve had who needed a year or two of grooming before they could step onto the court. Nor should he be like those, since Wiseman was the No. 2 pick. But from what the Warriors have seen, in the short time they’ve had him, the floor looks pretty high.
The Warriors like their big men cerebral. From Andrew Bogut to Zaza Pachulia to David West, they’ve had a bunch of bigs who knew how to play and could flow with the top-end talent they were on the floor with. Passing, setting good screens, being in the right place on defense, proper spacing, knowing when a hard foul was needed. Bigs bring the little things for the Warriors while the stars do the sexy stuff. The Warriors could use some sexy stuff, especially since Klay Thompson is out again this season, but who they are as a team still requires those little things. So Wiseman is going to have to show he can do those. But he’s already showing he can do the sexy stuff.
Wiseman could very well start his career where JaVale McGee’s peaked for the Warriors — a legit 7-footer who can run the floor, finish powerfully at the rim, rebound and block shots. The Warriors would take that right now. Need it, even. But what jumps out about Wiseman is what is possible beyond that and how well it fits the franchise’s vision.
“My body has matured tremendously,” Wiseman said. “I’m being more vocal on the defensive end. And also I’m just learning because the NBA and college is way different. So I’m just learning the different processes and just like the different fundamental skills to build my game and just develop my game as a whole. So I’m just trying to learn trying to get better every day. Listen to my vets and just play hard.”
The first thing to notice about Wiseman is his size. He’s huge, especially on a team with players who are 6-9, 6-9 and 6-7 as the other options at center. But his size is what makes another element really standout: speed.
Wiseman can move. The Warriors want to get up and down, swarm on defense and live in transition. Wiseman won’t have a problem keeping up. He doesn’t have a feel for the NBA game yet, or the Warriors’ scheme. But he’s able to do something.
“He made some great plays using his athleticism and his speed,” Kerr said.
The juggle for the Warriors has been between athleticism and size, speed and girth. They created their small lineup — remember the Death Lineup? — because they wanted to play faster, but Green at center didn’t sacrifice defense and rebounding despite his 6-7 height. But if they can stay big and stay fast?
Wiseman, after skipping the remainder of the college season when he was ruled ineligible at Memphis, relocated to Miami, where his agent is based. He started the process of preparing for the NBA Draft and getting his game ready for the league. He linked up with Miami Hoop School and put his considerable talents in the hands of noted trainer Andrew Moran. He’d then go to DBC Fitness and work on his body with David Alexander. Then at night, return to Miami Hoop School and get some more work done.
Five days a week for eight months, he put in the work. He’s on the Instagrams of both Miami Hoop School and DBC Fitness on March 5, wearing the same shirt.
Moran said they spent a lot of time building on his skill set because they had a lot of time before last month’s draft. They took their time, pieced together his game. They worked a lot of ballhandling and footwork because it was evident immediately Wiseman could handle the ball. Moran even had him running the pick-and-roll as the ballhandler. They worked on refining his jumper, which came with a soft touch and a strong left-handed base. They watched a lot of film — including some Anthony Davis and some David Robinson.
“Just his rebounding ability,” Wiseman said when asked what he could mimic from the film he saw on Robinson. “(His ability) to run the floor and be vocal on defense, and also just be a defensive anchor. I watched the defensive part more because I figured out I can make a great impact on the defensive end more. So just paying attention to that. Just the defensive end, most definitely.”
The runs at Miami Hoop School would give Wiseman and Moran a chance to put that work into action. These were NBA pick-up games with proven players such as James Harden, John Wall, D’Angelo Russell, Tim Hardaway Jr., James Johnson and Michael Beasley. Imagine the pace.
“One day it was like 10 NBA guys playing,” Moran said over the phone on Wednesday. “He got some good experience to play with high-level guys and see the speed of it, see the athleticism and strength. The thing is — he’s big. We’ve seen big. We’ve seen strong. But his mobility is incredible. That was so impressive to me. He’s so massive and big, yet he moves so well. We worked on bringing it up in transition. We worked on a lot of downhill stuff with him.”
What Wiseman doesn’t have is experience and the big question is how fast he learns and whether he can avoid repeating the mistakes that keep him off the floor. Green is already imploring the rookie to be patient. Kerr makes sure to underscore the mistakes Wiseman is making in practice. There is a feel to the game, an instinct required to anchor a defense.
With all his talent, it’s a different animal going against grown men with children to feed. The scouting report has a way of exposing weaknesses. So the Warriors will have to balance playing up his strengths, hiding his weaknesses and keeping his confidence up through it all. Confidence early is everything. So much potential and so many careers have been crushed in the mortar and pestle of hype.
That’s part of why, assuredly, the Warriors are preaching patience with Wiseman.
Also, he’s got to prove durable, which is never an absolute certainty with 7-footers. He’s played three games since high graduating East High in Memphis in 2019, so even a shortened 72-game NBA season will be daunting.
That leads to another piece that has stood out about Wiseman: his motor.
“I say my maturity — I’m very mature for my age for my player development,” Wiseman said. “So, yeah, I say the maturity part. That’s all it, really; I mean, I really don’t pay attention to social media like this. I really don’t know what they’d be talking about. So I really just focus on basketball. So, yeah.”
One of the questions about Wiseman, which is a question for many big men, is whether he has that internal drive to dominate. Especially for a big man in the modern NBA, where it’s all about pace and space, a motor is paramount. To be big and play both ends, you can’t be coaxed into that.
The Warriors can work on his play in the low post and high post. They can get to incorporating his shooting. They will work on his ability to stay with guards on the pick-and-roll, being a reliable presence from the weakside, finding the kick-outs and cutters. But first, can he go hard? Can he not be so paralyzed from trying to remember everything and just go?
So far, Wiseman has been all energy, all hustle. Stephen Curry said he was like a puppy being loosed from his cage in his first workouts with the team. If this is who he is, it bodes well for his ability to grow.
“He goes hard,” Moran said. “Every time we worked with him, this dude could do more and more. I think he can be an instant contributor because of how hard he plays when he goes in. And he’s playing with Steph Curry and Draymond. I see him contributing immediately. He’s a quiet kid. Really nice. But his competitive energy and how hard he plays is incredible. The best part of his game is his motor, in my opinion. Even with all that skill he has, the best part of his game is how hard he goes and how much he wants to compete.”
But all of that is hype, and the Warriors want to turn that down. They don’t want people expecting to see an instant All-Star the moment he steps on the court. They don’t want you to go crazy imagining Wiseman and Curry on offense and Wiseman and Green on defense. His 19-year-old shoulders don’t need to be weighed down with lofty expectations out of the gate. They haven’t had talent like this out of the draft in years — and their reputation for player development is on the line — so they’re going to manage this with the utmost meticulousness, put him in position to succeed. So don’t go daydreaming yet about championships and a return to glory.
And if the Warriors don’t want you thinking it yet, that probably means that, privately, they already are.
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