#AbolishICE Is it a good slogan?

[Dr. Acula]

So...
I've personally seen the debate about this slogan and I'm noticing where you have people interpreting #abolish ice as meaning getting rid of immigration enforcement entirely. Then someone responds "no you idiot. They're not saying allow all illegal immigration. Some people use the slogan to mean to replace it with a less militarized force like we had with ins. Some other people really believe in abolishing ICE and further, believe in open borders and noone is illegal. Some simply just want to downsize ICE. Etc. Etc."

So, imo, if a slogan requires a bunch of addendum to explain what you REALLY mean, then it might not really be the best slogan. While I understand making slogans provocative to attract attention, people should still be able to gather what you really mean when you say it. Like Medicare for all. There isnt a lot of explanation needed to clarify that one.

Thoughts?

 

[Black Panther]

ICE is a relatively new agency. It doesn't encompass the entirely of border security, either.

It's strange that people who argue against abolishing ICE don't realize it's only been around since 2002.

 

[Dr. Acula]

ICE is a relatively new agency. It doesn't encompass the entirely of border security, either.

It's strange that people who argue against abolishing ICE don't realize it's only been around since 2002.

Yep I'm aware but it's not the argument I'm making.

At this point, in the average American conscious the idea of ICE is directly tied to immigration enforcement. Rightly or not. The fact that all this additional explaination has to be provided to clarify what someone is trying to say to correct misconceptions tells me that the slogan may not be doing the job in getting the idea of what is truly meant by it across.

Is it because there is more tied to the provocativeness of the slogan than it's ability to communicate the ideas behind it is what I guess I'm getting at.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

So...
I've personally seen the debate about this slogan and I'm noticing where you have people interpreting #abolish ice as meaning getting rid of immigration enforcement entirely. Then someone responds "no you idiot. They're not saying allow all illegal immigration. Some people use the slogan to mean to replace it with a less militarized force like we had with ins. Some other people really believe in abolishing ICE and further, believe in open boarders and none is illegal. Some simply just want to downsize ICE. Etc. Etc."

So, imo, if a slogan requires a bunch of addendum to explain what you REALLY mean, then it might not really be the best slogan. While I understand making slogans provocative to attract attention, people should still be able to gather what you really mean when you say it. Like Medicare for all. There isnt a lot of explanation needed to clarify that one.

Thoughts?

This is what I was talking about the other day when I said, the Democratic Party does not know how to communicate it's platform to the masses

They just say shyt that can be easily spun or misinterpreted and then it ends up coming back to bite them in the ass

And that's the funny thing, the GOP does this on an almost daily basis without even trying, so the Dems should be able to sit back, peep game, and be like "Aight let's not do that dumb shyt".

But no...and thus here we are

 

[Slystallion]

The democrats definitely have some communication issues and no real leadership or anyone near Obama's level to capture the country

This is likely going to be like 2008-2016 where you guys will have to just accept what it is until the pendulum swings which it always does... However the Supreme Court is likely conservative for the rest of your lives after this term and the next

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

ITs a great slogan

 

[88m3]

abolish it

 

[ineedsleep212]

We're at a point where internally, you have folks who work there or used to like .

It's a simple slogan. All they have to do is argue the reasoning why strongly.

You could even have law enforcement folks who are woke enough talk about it (for those who immediately identify with law enforcement). Also have people who know about immigration before ICE.

Thing is you need to have people strongly advocating it. Being meek about it allows Trump and co. to demagogue about it while you arent putting up any defense and aren't going on the offensive as well.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Well, there was the INS so...

 

[re'up]

I said this in another thread, I am not sure.....if it captures the hearts of new voters, and adds to the ranks, I am fine with it. If it has the opposite effect, it could be a liability. A lot of very complacent and quasi liberal dems will feel that is too far, people like my Dad.

-I know the federal budget for DHS, ICE, HSI is bloated, and could be pared down, but candidates should really be careful with this abolish ICE mantra. Two options, it leads to more voter activation on the left, the progressive left, and they show up and take it all the way home. Or, it further divides Dem voters.

Obviously the right will hate the left and progressives regardless, but this could further incite, abolish ICE is an easy win for Republicans, as opposed to leading with something like Keep families together.

or abolish zero tolerance.

 

[Dr. Acula]

I said this in another thread, I am not sure.....if it captures the hearts of new voters, and adds to the ranks, I am fine with it. If it has the opposite effect, it could be a liability. A lot of very complacent and quasi liberal dems will feel that is too far, people like my Dad.

-I know the federal budget for DHS, ICE, HSI is bloated, and could be pared down, but candidates should really be careful with this abolish ICE mantra. Two options, it leads to more voter activation on the left, the progressive left, and they show up and take it all the way home. Or, it further divides Dem voters.

Obviously the right will hate the left and progressives regardless, but this could further incite, abolish ICE is an easy win for Republicans, as opposed to leading with something like Keep families together.

or abolish zero tolerance.

Yeah I'm not debating policy here. I'm debating messaging. More so it seems it doesn't even fully explain what some people say they are advocating for without additional explanation. I was trying to think of an alternative slogan that was catchy and succient but better describe some of the arguments made about this. I mean I think a lot of people are advocating for abolishing the relatively new ICE literally, but I'm constantly seeing people having to clarify what they mean with "but..", and it means something different to certain people depending where they fall on the spectrum of the issue. Like I said I've seen people who believe no one is illegal and think no enforcement should take place and others who say well let's get rid of ICE under it's current name and form but are not advocating no enforcement.

I see nothing wrong with "abolishing ICE" but the rhetoric and immediate question being asked by others is "why?" With the assumption you're advocating for no immigration law enforcement. I don't think that but I'm see how the message will lead others to react that way. Especially those too lazy to research on their own and just react to things on their face .

 

[the cac mamba]

no, it is not a good slogan. at thinking the average american, who isn't anywhere near the level of HL-intellect, is gonna hear that and get into the nuances of what it means. short and to the point, it means "let illegals get away with coming here"

keep up this bullshyt though not gonna do you any favors come national election time

 

[the cac mamba]

I said this in another thread, I am not sure.....if it captures the hearts of new voters, and adds to the ranks, I am fine with it. If it has the opposite effect, it could be a liability. A lot of very complacent and quasi liberal dems will feel that is too far, people like my Dad.
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but those people were gonna vote dem with or without it its completely unnecessary

 

[King Static X]

It should #ReformICE or #AbolishZeroTolerance.

I think that it's a losing slogan for the Democrats.

Many voters (who are stupid and don't think critically) interpret #AbolishICE as "open borders".

 

[Json]

ICE doesn't affect most people though. It's not like seeing FBI or CIA on the back of some people's jackets that people associate with law enforcement from movies and tv.

And it's still a give away to Republicans who will ask what about border enforcement, immigration overhauls.