#AbolishICE Is it a good slogan?

[Secure Da Bag]

It should #ReformICE or #AbolishZeroTolerance.

I think that it's a losing slogan for the Democrats.

Many voters (who are stupid and don't think critically) interpret #AbolishICE as "open borders".

#ReplaceICE or #RealReform. But yeah, when ICE is synonymous in the minds of many as immigration enforcement and border security, it's not hard to spin that #AbolishICE = open borders.

Ocasio-Cortez did a good job explaining #AbolishICE. They should just repeat that explanation nationwide until November.

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

Well, there was the INS so...

The Rebel INS.

"You know, the Wu-Tang clan, they're not sending their best. They're sending U-God, they're sending Cappadonna, and some, I assume, are good rappers."

 

[ineedsleep212]

It's go hard or go home and Democrats should definitely be more aggressive in their defense of immigrants and not allowing Trump's demonization to stand. I'm talking tv specials with CNN/MSNBC types. Being inbetween will just allow gullible folks to side with the one with a firm stance. When you have people in there going this shyt needs to go, the decision is easy.

Moral clarity >>>>> Well actually lemme explain

Folks gotta stop letting the rightwing control the narrative and argue under their framework.

 

[ineedsleep212]

The thing is this argument can be made well but under current leadership, I don't expect them to do a good job arguing back. Hopefully other folks speak up or it's literally gonna be Ocasio-Cortez doing all the work since folks are giving her a lot of attention and air time now. Whatever is the status quo no matter how right wing it is and goes, CNN would argue that it's common sense especially as anything pre Trump is being talked about like the good ol days of sensible shyt.

 

[King Static X]

Another slogan can be #BringBackINS.

INS (Immigration and Naturalization Service) was the predecessor of ICE.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

Another slogan can be #BringBackINS.

INS (Immigration and Naturalization Service) was the predecessor of ICE.

Not the same INS that gave visas to already dead (actual) 9/11 terrorists? There's a reason why they got replaced with ICE.

 

[King Static X]

Not the same INS that gave visas to already dead (actual) 9/11 terrorists? There's a reason why they got replaced with ICE.

That doesn't matter. It's not going to be the same INS.

If ICE, is going to be abolished then what will take it's place?

 

[Secure Da Bag]

That doesn't matter. It's not going to be the same INS.

Hope so.

 

[TTT]

It falls into if you are explaining you are losing type shyt that politicians like, abolish it implies just removing it and that being the end goal. What political junkies forget is that lots of people only pay attention to politics when it is time to vote for some candidate or another and are swayed by emotions or whatever argument is being made in that moment. AbolishICE will always be on the defensive because you know that the GOP counter point to that is "open borders" to which the response will be some statement about wanting to enforce the laws and what nt but by that time the narrative will be firmly in the immigration debate writ large and not what tactics ICE uses.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

So...
I've personally seen the debate about this slogan and I'm noticing where you have people interpreting #abolish ice as meaning getting rid of immigration enforcement entirely. Then someone responds "no you idiot. They're not saying allow all illegal immigration. Some people use the slogan to mean to replace it with a less militarized force like we had with ins. Some other people really believe in abolishing ICE and further, believe in open borders and noone is illegal. Some simply just want to downsize ICE. Etc. Etc."

So, imo, if a slogan requires a bunch of addendum to explain what you REALLY mean, then it might not really be the best slogan. While I understand making slogans provocative to attract attention, people should still be able to gather what you really mean when you say it. Like Medicare for all. There isnt a lot of explanation needed to clarify that one.

Thoughts?

It should #ReformICE or #AbolishZeroTolerance.

I think that it's a losing slogan for the Democrats.

Many voters (who are stupid and don't think critically) interpret #AbolishICE as "open borders".

ICE doesn't affect most people though. It's not like seeing FBI or CIA on the back of some people's jackets that people associate with law enforcement from movies and tv.

And it's still a give away to Republicans who will ask what about border enforcement, immigration overhauls.

#ReplaceICE or #RealReform. But yeah, when ICE is synonymous in the minds of many as immigration enforcement and border security, it's not hard to spin that #AbolishICE = open borders.

Ocasio-Cortez did a good job explaining #AbolishICE. They should just repeat that explanation nationwide until November.

It falls into if you are explaining you are losing type shyt that politicians like, abolish it implies just removing it and that being the end goal. What political junkies forget is that lots of people only pay attention to politics when it is time to vote for some candidate or another and are swayed by emotions or whatever argument is being made in that moment. AbolishICE will always be on the defensive because you know that the GOP counter point to that is "open borders" to which the response will be some statement about wanting to enforce the laws and what nt but by that time the narrative will be firmly in the immigration debate writ large and not what tactics ICE uses.

So you guys are telling me that despite the videos being shown of ICE ramming citizens with their cars, and the articles detailing: ICE shooting immigrants, ICE detaining 3 month old babies, ICE sending children across the country and away from their parents, ICE not properly identifying kid when they're separated - thus permanently breaking up children, and ICE illegally searching buses that the term #abolishICE is synonymous with open borders aka everything is immigrants fault?

And you think that changing to slogan to reform ICE or replace ICE will change the minds of those who have ignored the terror, sexual assault, and forcible drugging by ICE personnel?





The democratic party in a nutshell ladies and gentlemen

 

[tru_m.a.c]

soften your slogan abolishing an organization responsible for rape, kidnapping, and concentration camps, so you can attract members of the population who didn't care about preventing rape, kidnapping, and concentration camps

what will we do now that the people who didn't care about children being kidnapped are turned off by our slogans

 

[King Static X]

So you guys are telling me that despite the videos being shown of ICE ramming citizens with their cars, and the articles detailing: ICE shooting immigrants, ICE detaining 3 month old babies, ICE sending children across the country and away from their parents, ICE not properly identifying kid when they're separated - thus permanently breaking up children, and ICE illegally searching buses that the term #abolishICE is synonymous with open borders aka everything is immigrants fault?

And you think that changing to slogan to reform ICE or replace ICE will change the minds of those who have ignored the terror, sexual assault, and forcible drugging by ICE personnel?





The democratic party in a nutshell ladies and gentlemen

OK breh, that's not what any of us are saying but OK.

If you don't understand how many voters will interpret "Abolish ICE" as "open borders" then....

 

[Secure Da Bag]

And you think that changing to slogan to reform ICE or replace ICE will change the minds of those who have ignored the terror, sexual assault, and forcible drugging by ICE personnel?

You missed the point. It's not about changing minds. It's about not letting the narrative be railroaded or twisted.

 

[Gains]

they'll need a new acronym

 

[tru_m.a.c]

OK breh, that's not what any of us are saying but OK.

If you don't understand how many voters will interpret "Abolish ICE" as "open borders" then....

You missed the point. It's not about changing minds. It's about not letting the narrative be railroaded or twisted.

No. I don't think you guys understand the point. Who are these voters that will misinterpret abolish ICE? Are they republicans? Are they democrats who voted for trump? Are they white people of any political party who ignore police violence? Are they white people easily persuaded by fake news? Are they voters that blamed immigrants seeking asylum LEGALLY for having their children kidnapped.

If you can't paint a portrait of the voter you're afraid will misinterpret the slogan you're either a) creating a fictional problem or b) not admitting that the voter who misinterprets this is a piece of shyt. There is no in-between.

We are talking about murder, rape, forcible drugging, and concentration camps. Why are we giving people the benefit of the doubt for NOT knowing this shyt?