Abortion's Racial Gap

[godkiller]

Does is factor in their families and baby daddy's?

Age?

Religion?

These aren't directly controlled but money is a proxy for them. Women with baby daddies are poorer than ones without. People with poorer families have less money. Younger women make less money than older women and so on. The poor blacks with the highest rates of all the above metrics have lower abortion rates, so it's unlikely these things explain the black abortion rate.

 

[acri1]

Maybe black women's money stream is that much more precarious than other races', but the study controls for income and the evidence suggests that money is not the primary factor behind black women's abortion rates. White, Hispanic, etc women who make the same money abort less than black women. The evidence seems to suggest that social stigma is a primary factor behind black female abortions (the majority of which are done more by upper class blacks rather than poor ones). In other words, all this abortion propaganda bullshyt is basically only making middle to upper class black women abort -- and no others. White people, meanwhile, are aborting least of all.

Income =/= Socioeconomic status/wealth

If you compare a black person and a white person who make the exact same amount of money, the white person is always always higher up on the socioeconomic latter and will have more wealth. That's because of things like inheritances, family members with money who can help support them, houses passed down from parents to kids, trust funds, help paying for school, etc.

Controlling for income fails to take that into account. There are social stigmas too but that's probably true for any woman.

you completely missed on the part that mentioned non-financial reasons, breh? it was about 2/3 of the whole article.

See above. What I got from the article is that controlling for income doesn't rule out financial motivations or mean that the financial situations of people are the same. I'm not suggesting that financial reasons are the ONLY factor but just looking at income is naive.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

These aren't directly controlled but money is a proxy for them. Women with baby daddies are poorer than ones without. People with poorer families have less money. Younger women make less money than older women and so on. The poor blacks with the highest rates of all the above metrics have lower abortion rates, so it's unlikely these things explain the black abortion rate.

You seem confused.

 

[godkiller]

Income =/= Socioeconomic status/wealth

If you compare a black person and a white person who make the exact same amount of money, the white person is always always higher up on the socioeconomic latter and will have more wealth. That's because of things like inheritances, family members with money who can help support them, houses passed down from parents to kids, trust funds, help paying for school, etc.

Controlling for income fails to take that into account. There are social stigmas too but that's probably true for any woman.

Most of these things including inheritance are tied to income. If they are explanatory variables for blacks then the power lies in middle class black women's perceptions, otherwise they would affect poor blacks just as much. The discrepancy implies propaganda as a culprit.

You seem confused.

If I'm confused I wonder about you b/c you have no insight. Make your point and debate - or shut up. @theworldismine13 , what are your thoughts?

 

[NZA]

Income =/= Socioeconomic status/wealth

If you compare a black person and a white person who make the exact same amount of money, the white person is always always higher up on the socioeconomic latter and will have more wealth. That's because of things like inheritances, family members with money who can help support them, houses passed down from parents to kids, trust funds, help paying for school, etc.

Controlling for income fails to take that into account. There are social stigmas too but that's probably true for any woman.



See above. What I got from the article is that controlling for income doesn't rule out financial motivations or mean that the financial situations of people are the same. I'm not suggesting that financial reasons are the ONLY factor but just looking at income is naive.

well, the article is not just looking at income, that's the whole point of those other reasons taking up most of the article. it was stressing disparities in sex ed and stigmas unique to black women. it seems like you are painting this article into a corner it doesnt belong in. it's very balanced, it even ends on a quote from a woman lamenting the role social stigma plays on their decision making.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Most of these things including inheritance are tied to income. If they are explanatory variables for blacks then the power lies in middle class black women's perceptions, otherwise they would affect poor blacks just as much. The discrepancy implies propaganda as a culprit.



If I'm confused I wonder about you b/c you have no insight. Make your point and debate - or shut up. @theworldismine13 , what are your thoughts?

I made a statement phrased as a question and you limboed under it then preceded to attack me.

 

[godkiller]

well, the article is not just looking at income, that's the whole point of those other reasons taking up most of the article. it was stressing disparities in sex ed and stigmas unique to black women. it seems like you are painting this article into a corner it doesnt belong in. it's very balanced, it even ends on a quote from a woman lamenting the role social stigma plays on their decision making.

Poor black women get sex education; they just don't take it or arent as concerned. The rest of blacks seem to go through similar struggles as whites and Hispanics - but abort anyway. Propaganda..

 

[godkiller]

I made a statement phrased as a question and you limboed under it then preceded to attack me.

Your statement "you seem confused" contributes nothing to the conversation and is an ad hominem attack on my self. Just post your piece or be silent.

 

[NZA]

Poor black women get sex education; they just don't take it or arent as concerned. The rest of blacks seem to go through similar struggles as whites and Hispanics - but abort anyway. Propaganda..

with blacks being disproportionately southern, i can imagine black girls are also disproportionately given abstinence focused birth control which has been shown to contribute to worse outcomes for even white girls

 

[godkiller]

with blacks being disproportionately southern, i can imagine black girls are also disproportionately given abstinence focused birth control which has been shown to contribute to worse outcomes for even white girls

Most all girls know about condoms and the like. The internet is also available. Poor girls of all creeds just use and care less regardless of info given to them (this is the case for most things). That aside, as most proprietary assets (women with inheritance s are often rich already) are represented in income, there still isn't an actual reason for why black women have more abortions besides propaganda. I'm still waiting for a counterargument.

 

[NZA]

Most all girls know about condoms and the like. The internet is also available. Poor girls of all creeds just use and care less regardless of info given to them (this is the case for most things). That aside, as most proprietary assets (women with inheritance s are often rich already) are represented in income, there still isn't an actual reason for why black women have more abortions besides propaganda. I'm still waiting for a counterargument.

http://mic.com/articles/98886/the-s...-teenage-birth-rates-have-one-thing-in-common

actually, you never adequately addressed the point i made...

 

[godkiller]

http://mic.com/articles/98886/the-s...-teenage-birth-rates-have-one-thing-in-common

actually, you never adequately addressed the point i made...

The high abstinence only education finding is confounded by the fact most of America's poorest live in the South. So is it the education which causes the high teen birth rates or the poverty? This is an example that correlation does not equal causation.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

Captain obvious article.

White families tend to have MUCH more wealth than black and Hispanic families (even for the same level of income) and thus are better-equipped to take care of kids in the event of unplanned pregnancies. Not sure why this needed a study...

You always need data for these things. It helps with policy papers, laws, and court rulings.

We shouldn't be taking aim at researchers….

 

[godkiller]

You always need data for these things. It helps with policy papers, laws, and court rulings.

We shouldn't be taking aim at researchers….

I would like data proving that the white woman making 45k has that much wealth than black women making the same amount.

 

[NZA]

The high abstinence only education finding is confounded by the fact most of America's poorest live in the South. So is it the education which causes the high teen birth rates or the poverty? This is an example that correlation does not equal causation.

"Among teens aged 18–19, 41% report that they know little or nothing about condoms and 75% say they know little or nothing about the contraceptive pill."

this is not even talking about behavior or attitude, the kids are admitting that they know little about contraceptives even though their states give them "sex ed". that's a failure of abstinence only or abstinence focused education